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1995 - Patrick Combs successfully deposits junk mail check for $95,093.35

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On May 19th, I was one of thousands of people around the country who received a 'junk mail' letter touting a get-rich quick method for making $95,093.35 in just three weeks. That letter also came with a for the same amount, $95,093.35. Everything about the check looked real except for the words 'non-negotiable for cash' typed on the top right hand corner.

For very little reason at all I deposited this check into my ATM. It was fun, like putting monopoly money into the bank. I walked home picturing a bank teller opening my deposit envelope and chuckling upon the sight of the ridiculously large, and obviously a sample, check. I fully expected that on Monday morning someone from my bank would call and say, 'Mr. Combs, the check you deposited on Friday wasn't real.'

On Monday when they didn't call, I figured they were mailing the check back to me and I forgot about the whole thing. Then two days later, while withdrawing $40, my ATM produced a receipt that stated my balance at over one hundred thousand dollars! Suddenly, I remembered the $95,093.35 deposit.

I walked briskly and excitedly home. As soon as I got in I called a friend and told them what'd happened. He made a quick phone call to his own bank and called me back: "It's standard policy to credit your account for any amount you deposit, but it's only a credit. You can't touch the money unless the check clears." Of course -- It was just a matter of days before the bank would erase the credit and return my account to a mere $5,000.

For the next two days I called my bank for my account balance. It remained over a hundred grand.

Friday morning I again called for my account balance. Still no change. Curiosity kicked in. I went to my bank, approached a teller, and posed this question: "If I need a cashiers check for $70,000 later this afternoon do I have the funds available?"

The teller typed my account number into her computer and said, "Yes, the money is available." -- I got out of the bank fast. And I felt supercharged with possibility and shock.

From that moment until the next Wednesday when I boarded a plane for a four day career-counseling conference in Orlando FL(I make my living as an author and speaker addressing career success), $95,093.35 was available for withdrawal from my account. My close friends and I contemplated, for fun, all the possibilities a hundred grand afforded. "To Leave the Country or Not To Leave -- That is the question."

I knew that the money was going to be taken out of my account -- and each day I figured it would happen tomorrow. I boarded my flight to Orlando confident, and glad, that in all likelihood the money would be gone upon my return. It had already possessed my thoughts for a week.

On Monday, the day after my return, I called for my account balance. Five thousand and something dollars was what I expected to hear. No such luck. "What's happening here!!!"

Two weeks and that money was still sitting in my account. "It will be gone tomorrow," I kept telling myself for the next five days. Then on Friday, exactly three weeks since I had deposited the sample check I, again, returned to the bank. I approached a bank teller at the special Customer Service window, and I sternly stated: "I recently deposited $95,000 and I don't want to spend any of the money if there is the possibility of the check being returned. How long should I wait?"

Again the teller keyed in my account number. Then she said, "$95,093.35 deposited on May 21st. You're safe to spend that money now because that check can no longer be returned. Depositors are protected by a law that says checks cannot be returned after 10 business days." I couldn't believe my ears. I couldn't believe my luck. I couldn't believe what was happening to me. On my way out of the bank, I grabbed every brochure and pamphlet that vaguely implied it might contain the law she had just referenced and I went home and read voraciously.

My reading didn't reveal the law I was looking for. Quickly I learned that bank brochures don't tell you your rights -- they tell you all the bank's rights. (Some of which I found quite interesting). But at the end of one of the brochures I found a reference that said, "For more information contact, The Office of Thrift Supervision." (O.T.S)

I called the O.T.S. and a man answered the phone. I gave my first name only and I gave him a quick synopsis of what had transpired. He treated my story with a cool intrigue. He told me that the ten day law the teller had mentioned was known as "The Midnight Deadline." But he suggested that the more important legal question had to do with "negotiability." He wondered if the check I deposited was a true negotiable instrument. He said, "The banking law book, Bradys, has specific criteria that a check has to match in order to qualify as legal negotiable instrument. I'm not sure what they are but if the check you deposited was actually a negotiable instrument that would explain why your bank passed it."

Within three hours I had found my way to the Hasting's Law Library and to the book, Brady on Bank Checks - The Law of Bank Checks
by Henry Bailey and Richard Hagedorn .

Uuggh! Reading a big thick law book. Suddenly I knew why law students always looked so beat and tired. I didn't know how I was going to find anything in the monstroserous tome in front of me, and then my eyes caught sight of a small pocket sized book titled, Negotiable Instruments and Check Collection . It was a heaven sent guide for laymen. And plain as day, it listed the nine criteria for a negotiable instrument. I flipped it open and as if by magic, I found myself staring at a page that read, "The Nine Criteria for a Negotiable Instrument." I dove in reading with ferocious intensity.

The first eight criteria went my way. Things like, must have a signature, a date, the words "pay to," - all the things you expect to see on a check. The check I deposited had all the right features however it also carried the words "non-negotiable" in the top right hand corner. Hopefully the ninth point would address this. It said, "The ninth issue is whether people can create an instrument that matches the first eight criteria, and then avoid negotiability by declaring on the instrument that it is not negotiable."

I took a deep breath. The roulette wheel was spinning to a stop, giving me a fifty-fifty chance at a hundred grand. I began reading the next sentence slower than any sentence I've read in my life, my finger uncovering one word at a time. "No, give me the word no," I said to myself.

"The... answer... is... ...yes."

Wham. Ugh. Game over.

Any fantasies I had about the $95,000 dollars fizzled. But then, I moved my finger a micro-inch further, and saw a comma. "The answer is yes, except on a check." It went on:

"A declaration on a check that it is not negotiable is ineffective.” The meaning of this sunk in quickly - I was the luckiest S.O.B. alive. The get-rich-quick company had accidentally designed a real check - and I had deposited it!

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curses! all that junk mail with 'fake'-real checks I tossed.
Guess that figures why I have not gotten one of those in a while.

Luck S.O.B. Well I'm glad someone deposited these scammers money and made some of there own.

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12 years ago eh? I'm figuring that bank tellers are trained not to miss these things now... :(

Although, if I get a check that looks depositable....I may just deposit it.

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Another favored gimmick of junk mailers is to include the phrase, "Cashing this check indicates your acceptance of <insert advertised service or product>."

Requitus cavi cautum. (depositor beware)

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I don’t know the laws, but I know Danyale’s tellers screen for that type of thing every day. I would say they catch it over 99% of the time. When the bank makes a mistake by depositing it in your account, they try to collect on the other end. If they can not collect they take it out of your account even several months later. If it looks like you were scammed and you spent the money you have to take out a loan to pay the money back. If it looks like you were in league with the scam the cops arrest you. Danyale’s branch must average one arrest each week.

Rocklar wrote:
Another favored gimmick of junk mailers is to include the phrase, "Cashing this check indicates your acceptance of <insert advertised service or product>."

Requitus cavi cautum. (depositor beware)


Yeah, when you sign the back of the check to deposit, read the fine print. Danyale can tell you hundreds of people who wanted a quick $15 deposit, but actually signed up for something costing them so much more. It is usually not in your best interest to deposit an unsolicited check.

Along these lines about 10 years ago a credit card company started mailing us $1k-$4k checks every other month. We never deposited because doing so would sign us up for their card which had horrible rates. Three years later we were getting ready to move so Danyale called the company and told them to stop mailing the checks because we were moving and we did not want the next resident to cash those checks in our name.

The company said they will cross that bridge when they got to it. They would not stop mailing the checks. Thankfully the next resident was not a con, and nothing negative ever happened to us. To this day I wish I would have gotten one of my brothers friends to cash those checks and teach that company a lessen.


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Cyrus, apparently by law, the company who issued the check is legally liable for covering the "fake" check, not the person who deposits it. The point of the incident which actually occurred in 1995 is that a document that has all the qualifiers of a legally binding check cannot, by law, be rendered non-negotiable. In other words, a check is a check is a check, even if there's some documentation on the check saying it's not a real check.

Secondly, unless the Bradley Law has been changed in the last 12 years, a bank cannot take any action against the depositor after 10 days of a check being cleared in their account. Doing so would be a violation of that law, and the depositor would have grounds to file suit.

Obviously the point about checks deposited which subsequently sign you up for something is a whole different story.

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Let me preface by saying I am not denying your quoted story. It is a case where the check was deemed real even when the issuer wanted it not to be real. The issuer is dumb for using a real check... he could have printed a false account number and the story would have been totaly diffrent.

My post is more on the lines of making sure Avians don’t miss interpret the story and get themselves in a financial mess. My post is more about you being liable for your deposits in lieu of the funds not being available or the check is not a real check (Fake account # or routing #)

Danyale Wrote:
The federal reserve will give us a warning if a check has the potential of coming back. Now if the depositor has already spent the money, we will make the account negative, now the depositer owes us the money. When a bank gives you credit for a deposit you have made, the credit to your account is on good faith the item will clear your account.

Let's go to the beginning...when you open an account you are signing a new account application that has all kinds of things that you are agreeing to, and one of these things is taking items for deposit on your account. Bottom line, everything you deposit to you account, you are ultimatley responsible for.

In that example the check was good, the company issuing the check must have had funds to cover the amount, the MICR number and account # lined up, and there were no stop payments placed on the check. If all of these things did not line up the money would have been taken out of that guys account.


A few examples:
Ex1) CY gives Talon a check for $25. Talon's bank will make a decision to clear the check or place a hold on it until the funds clear. The hold can be anywhere from 2 to 11 if placed in a checking account and held indefinitely if placed in a savings account. If Talon is a member in good standing they will likely just hand over the money. Now lets say the check bounces. Talon's bank can not collect the money because CY has no money. Talon's bank will take the $25 out of Talon's account. To add insult to injury they may hit Talon up for a "Return Item Fee".

Ex2) Talon deposits a check from Avian Technology and Trade in the sum of $2,000. Talon is a good member and the check is deposited right away. Months later it is discovered that the check was stolen by someone. The situation could be 1) that Talon or an accomplish of Talon stole the check, or 2) a third party stole the check and had Talon perform honest work and third party is now paying Talon with the stolen check. Regardless of Talon’s involvement in the theft, $2,000 will be deducted from Talon's account.


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