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Son of a #%$^&@*!(@*$#^$%#^@!&%@$%!@#!&^@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

I just got told today that they are doing away with my position in the company. I'm not laid off, but I may as well be. And I'm going to be demoted a ton.

/pound head against desk repeatedly until unconscious bliss ensues

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Sorry to hear about that, man :(

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That sucks...sorry to hear about it Cetera.

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I'm sorry, I really feel for you.


That happened to my uncle, and now he works for a car dealership selling cars, at least for the time being. It's happened to my cousin and some friends too, its happening to everyone, and I sure hope that Bush doesn't get re-elected, because he's an idiot, and the people who vote for him aren't realizing how much he's hurting our economy.

You wan't some pay back? Don't vote for Bush!

(p.s. I'm neither Republican or Democrat)


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Cetera u lack any luck...First they give your job away to a bunch of people who don't even speak english and work for 1/16 of what you do..and then this

Who you working for right know? you left AOHell right?

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It actually isn't due to the economy at all, Locke. It is because our call center is poorly managed. Every year at this time we lose a bunch of people (our main work force is college students). We lost 33 people last month, out of about 120 or so. It is a huge hit. They are quitting because they are going home for the summer, or because they are graduating, or what have you. The point is, this happens every year, and they know about it. It is because of their incompetence that they didn't plan ahead and deal with it.

Our client is also one tough, tough monkey. We're always getting fined because our incompetent management signed a ridiculous contract that lets them fine us for everything, and our contractual obligations are so unbelievably high it is ridiculous. We actually perform better than our client (we're outsourced) and we still get fined all the time because our stats aren't perfect.

The point is, we're always right on the cusp of losing money. We have poor direction, poor leadership, and poor communication, all saddled with a really poor client. As a part of help desk, I do everything, and I mean, everything. I take escalated sup calls, I give agents advice, I use company software to monitor, reset, and alter setups for cable boxes and modems. I am a point of contact with the client to disseminate information to our center. We monitor and correct incomplete or incorrect work orders put in by our employees, and run databases and tracking tools to identify trends and repeat offenders and get them trained to do their job correctly. Basically, if it needs doing, my department gets it done.

Ironically enough, there are only six people in my department. We've not had a supervisor in over a year, because another supervisor quit and they pulled ours to cover their hole, since they didn't want to spend the money to hire a new sup. We continually have more and more work dumped on us, because we're the only group in the center that can actually make shit happen. We're damn effective, and most of the agents in the call center love us, because we help them out, we give them good advice and information, and we save their asses on nasty calls.

Yes, I do all of this for a measly $8.76 an hour. Just two months ago I was making only $8.50 an hour. And now they are disbanding us. They are going to give our entire workload to the remaining supervisors on the floor. These guys are already over worked, half are as incompetent as our management, but since they are corporate climbers they are hired because they kiss a lot of booty, and the poor sups barely make any more than I do. If I get just a couple hours of OT a week, I'm making more than they are. And they are salaried, so they get hosed anyway.

The point is, we're damn essential to the operation of our center. Things are going to go to shit without us. And it is all becuase upper management thinks we're not productive because we don't generate additional revenue, even though we save thousands of dollars in fines each month, well above what we actually take out in paychecks.

They just need more people on the phone because they can't keep people employed here. And upper management has never liked us because we can't bill the client per minute of calls we do actually take. So they are permanently disbanding our help desk.

Ironically enough, this may actually be caused by Bush's growing economy, because our college students are finding it easier to get hired on at other places out of state, thereby leaving us with fewer potential employees.

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Cetera,

Friend, I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you. I hardly know what else to say other than encourage you to finish your education any way you can - loans, work study, etc. There are tons of oppotunities out there. ;)

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Thanks, Rocky. I appreciate the kinda words. I know I really need to finish up my schooling, but am really unsure how to procede. I need to do some soul searching and figure some things out, I guess. I'll be on here as long as I can, unless I lose pay, and then I'm going to have to make some drastic cuts. Talk to you all later.

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Chin up! Look forward make make this crisis a oppurtunity for change! This shake up won't have meaning until you give it some. I am recently graduated from college, and so I am currently "effectively" unemployed. Transitional times are the best in your life!

Take this chance to move to another city, or who knows? We have to carve our own path. It is encouraging that you are so aware of why it all came about. You can get a job with another team, you seem competent.

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Geez, I really feel for you. I know how frustrating managment incompetance can be. Ironically I'm now running my own small business and considering hiring a marketing assistant to do cold calls, etc.

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The best guys seem to take a bad situation and make something good out of it. Who knows, maybe this is your chance to switch to a better company. A company who may have more respect for you, and maybe higher pay. Cetera you are one of the best guys I know, so I have faith that you will come out of this situation smelling like a rose.

I always hated switching companies, but honestly, in some markets, it is the best way to better yourself. My wife is going through an ugly situation, she does not work in the loan department, yet while signing up new members she cross sold 1.5 million in loans for her Credit Union, while the whole loan department (8 people) did only 1.3 million. They hired her because the wanted to start growing, and the old management team was just stale. Their goal was to grow 1 mill a year and after Danyale’s 1st year they grew 3 mill. What thanks does she get…. a lousy 40 cent raise.


Basically they are not showing her that they want her. She is not getting the respect her accomplishments deserve. So even though it will be hard for her to leave and look for new employment, she is starting to look around.

It sounds like your employer does not respect all that you do for them. You seem to have mastered many of the skills a call center requires. Surely you should be able to list all of those skills and responsibilities and try to interview with some other call center.

GO out there and sell yourself, show those companies that you are what they need, and show them that you are someone that deserves their respect.


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Cetera, keep your chin up and don't be afraid to try new things, you are young and single, take advantage of it while you can...

Cyrus, I know what you are saying about your wife getting short changed by the bank. My mom also works in a bank, and assists the loan officers there....

She sells more dollars in loans than both the loan officers, but she gets NADA...

I think Banks are just crooked as all get out, and screw folks at EVERY opportunity, especially their employees...

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Sorry to hear the Cet. Just to repeat the above sentiments, sometimes things happen for a reason. There's always better opportunities out there for bright individuals.

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Now, I don't know the whole entire story, but here's the jist of it:

My dad has worked for Con Edison for 35 years now, and will be retiring on December 1st. The company/his department is understaffed, and they won't hire more people to fill the positions, because they don't want to train them, or spend the money. Many of his workers have threatened to leave, but that wouldn't make a difference, they'd just let them go, or fire them, and let themselves get screwed over because they just don't care. Companies just don't give a shit anymore. Coutnless guys there have had heart attacks, or surgery, and have been out for weeks, and people like my Dad have been forced to work double shifts, because they won't hire more people, they're stupid. Con Edison is going to wait till the very last moment, before their fudged, and then they will do something about it. This is the way the company has been for a long time now. Hell, it was a great job 35 years ago, but now its just too aggravating, dealing with all the stupid people.

-That's something I don't want to do with my life, work for a company for 30-40 years with a bunch of maroons who don't give a rats ass about their employees. Unfortunately, I'll have to be going where the money is, at least for a while.


...Take a look at Dell...hiring all of those people in India for cheap wages...thanks to Dell ALOT of their employees are being laid off.


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I understand you there, Locke. And I really can't blame Dell. I've actually spoken quite a few people who've had to deal with their tech support, and aside from some slight issues with the accent they've all been very pleased with the service.

Dell can pay them a lot less than any American worker, and still have good service, and still have the overhead for paying for all the international phone bills.

The people in India love it too. There are huge waiting lists to get employed at those centers, because they make far and away above the average wages of others in their country, and they can hire extremely competent, educated, and probably over-qualified people to do the work.

In order to compete, Americans need to develop newer industries and tech. We need to be pushing the envelope and pushing the boundaries of our economy, our education, and our technology. People are too into just doing the same old job (even me) and it won't cut it in the global economy. We need to establish ourselves to do the jobs that no one else in the world can, like we did all through the previous century.

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OMG Cetera...that is soo damn depressing....the little duckies actually fell in?? that makes me sad.

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Thats really depressing, but those precious creatures will find their way back to their mother...and if I keep on telling myself that, then I'll be much happier...and cities need to make their sewer grates have smaller holes.....time for some enviornmentalists to start sueing again...lol


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Oh, come on, on the bright side, one little guy made it.

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Oh, come on, on the bright side, one little guy made it.


Haaa, the marvelous natural selection in action...

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I bet he saw his siblings stuck in the holes and stepped on their little heads, which actually pushed them down below, to make it safely across. He isn't smart, he's evil! :evil:

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Maybe his feet are just bigger. Just watch, in a few generations all ducks will have feet the size of ping pong paddles.

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Aw c'mon. dude taking the pics would have called environment and get the ducks out. Cute pic tho.

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There was a story last week of the mom duck following her lost baby ducks quacks from the drainage ditch, and they found all the babies...

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Cet, since they relie on your team so much, I think you might want to have a go at a strike, if you persuade enough people, they'll start paying attention.

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No, they won't. They'll just fire everyone, and not look back. Besides, Help Desk can't really go on strike, 'cause they are already getting rid of us.

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hmm, start looking for a new and better job then! :)

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