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Concord of Agriculturalists Initiative


Founder of Lucasism

The SWG Developers are not delivering the product as promised. Sure our expatiations were set too high, but even the core systems and aspects the game was advertised to have fallen short. Sure SWG has many great things going for it, but some of the flaws have gone unattended for far far too long.

Smugglers were one of the first professions identified by developers as needing serious attention. The devs asked that all smugglers give them time and they would fix the problems.

Fast-forward almost a year later and those same smugglers are still waiting. After dropping $50 on the box and 11*$15 on monthly fees, I would say any disgruntled smuggler has earned the right to call SWG a piece of shit product. Compound that situation with the fact the developers are saying that due to JTL, a new product, any attention to smugglers will be postponed until after JTL. HOW DARE THEY take resources away from the original flawed product to produce a new product? That is just poor business, and many ex-fans are quitting because of it.

If you deny the fact that SWG has managed to piss off several of its most loyal fans, you have been living under a rock. If you think pissing off customers is a good business practice, you are a fool.

Lastly, I do think SWG has things like the HUD, the Communication tools, the character customization, and the graphics that are wonderful. Many future games will be inferior to SWG because of these great aspects of SWG. Yet one year later SWG still has not fixed Battlefields, still not fixed smugglers, still not fixed the ex-merchant exploit, still not completed Ranger as promised, still not made faction items desirable.

Good icing on a rancid cake is still rancid!

down boy

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Ryric Krael
Former Vice President AGN
Former Director, Section 6
Former Head of Department of the Treasury
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Ask not what your PA can do for you, but what you can do for your PA
"Gone Section Five"

This post is sad enough as it is, debate elsewhere.

Take care Keih, you'll be missed.

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- Wiegraf Terrik
SWG: Human Commando/Pistoleer
WoW: Dwarvish Rogue (Herbalism/Alchemy)
EQII: Alazin, High Elf Wizard

Former Section 4 Director

"Please, if anyone were to play Obi-Wan it would be me, with the 'Luke, Luke save me' and the lightsabers going 'Vvvwiinnngg, vvwinggg, vvvWING!' -- Professor Frink

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Concord of Agriculturalists Initiative


Founder of Lucasism

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Concord of Agriculturalists Initiative


Founder of Lucasism

Aranoc you can't get mad over people because they have different definition of fun...

The devs made promises at the begining of the game that they couldn't keep just as they still do today.

Yeah, I too believed in the devs once...to find nothing but sadness and disapointement. I think that if the game isn't fun, you aren't to *look for* fun. I don't want to *try* to have fun with a game, I prefer leaving it.

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Flyoc,
Farm with attitude.

Don't worry about it Aranoc.

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65 min: Fastest Accepted Member in Avian History (as far as I'm aware)
ARCHITECH (Peace to GG)

Hmmm...I wonder.....

Is it better to express one's negative opinions or insult others on a regular basis?

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Avian Technology and Trade
Lac Plesis
Botanist
Master Chef
Firm Rebel Supporter

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Concord of Agriculturalists Initiative


Founder of Lucasism

While you may be right you miss one very fine point.

The point is people get to play the way they want to play. It is their right and their opinion to complain if things don't measure up to their expectations. Are their expectations reasonable? perhaps, perhaps not. These games try to appeal to people on a number of different levels (which increases shelf life), but not all those roles are for every person.

But, you can't get upset by their own perceptions or opinions because they do match your's (or even reality). And, don't tell someone they are not an MMOG gamer because last I checked Flyoc was playing SWG which is an MMOG.

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

Well, heh, maybe MMos aren't fun

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Flyoc,
Farm with attitude.

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Concord of Agriculturalists Initiative


Founder of Lucasism

Flyoc was stating that if thats how you view MMO Gaming then maybe they simply are not fun.

In anycase Aranoc you really need to lose the negativity of your posts.

We all have played SWG at one time or are still playing it. We all know what we were promised by the devs, what we hoped for, what we at the very least saw as basic essentials. We all also know what the devs delivered to us.

This thread was Kei attempt to explain why he is leaving the game, it is not your right or anyone elses to judge him or his decision in anyway.

Kindly shut-up Aranoc

Could a mod split this like after Aranoc's First post?

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Ryric Krael
Former Vice President AGN
Former Director, Section 6
Former Head of Department of the Treasury
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Ask not what your PA can do for you, but what you can do for your PA
"Gone Section Five"

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Concord of Agriculturalists Initiative


Founder of Lucasism

I'll split it when I get home from work.

I don't care if people voice their opinions about the game, positive or negative. But when someone starts voicing negative opinions about other Avians because they are voicing opinions about the game, I'm going to start deleting posts. If it continues, I'll also report the posts for disciplinary actions. This is the only warning you'll get.

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That can only cause more problems and no really worthy of you DF.

I never saw Flyoc's pedigree so he might be more experience or less experienced than you. But, that's hardly the point you don't have to be a dedicated gamer to know what you want. Once again, you have to allow people to play the game they as they would like.

You sir make too many assumptions here.

It can be tough but you have to shrug this type of stuff off. Does this also mean that people shouldn't make voice suggestions before a game is released?


Discussions...I'll let that one slide. But you might want to consider that some of us might come back to the game and then what?

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

Of course it's supposed to be fun ! Sometimes it just isn't. What if I give you a bugged MineSweeper and tell you to play it all the day ? Then telling you "OK, I'll implement mines in a week" and months later, still no mines ? Wouldn't you whine ? Wouldn't you complain ? How would you dare, it was "supposed to be fun without all the negativity" (and don't forget, you would be paying 15$ / month for it)




I perfectly know what I want. And it's not SWG. I'm gaming since I'm 2 and believe me, I have seen both great and crappy games.

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Flyoc,
Farm with attitude.

I for one find it ludicrous that Aranoc Tanuna has the balls to tell one fellow what is and is not fun. Fun is subjective, and when a member of our organization is not finding fun within the game, by all means that member is welcomed to let it be known to the rest of us.

Keih was just letting us all know why we have not seen him lately, and why we many not be seeing him anytime soon. I find nothing wrong with that. I much rather know the reasons behind a members absence than have that member fade away without explanation. In fact as members of our group leave SWG, I would wish that all still frequent our forums and stay in contact. As we all grow and move on, I like to think that many of us will play along side each other in the future.

I found Aranoc’s opening post very rude and out of place, a kind of déjà vu that stains every memory I have of him. And although it may be very rude to say, the truth is I am ecstatic that he has left us once again… this time lets keep him out!

What is fun for me may not be for you… and that is the way life goes. SWG has many fun aspects, and has many more on their way. However some members like myself just have a difficult time supporting a company that is promising and selling snake oil. That does not mean there is zero fun in SWG. No one here has said that, even though the fool of a person, Aranoc, thinks that is what he has read here in this post. What it means is upon buying the box, we were lead to believe we could do certain things in the game. Those certain things did not materialize as promised, yet we were told that specific fixes were soon to be on the way. Large units of time have passed proving many of us waiters to be very patient… and proving SWG more troubled than was previously assumed.



What the hell and I trying to say?? I guess it is that I see nothing wrong when a members patients run out. I see nothing wrong with a member keeping us informed of his situation with the game. I see nothing wrong with sharing ones frustration with the game, because more than once, thanks to some of you, I have found the strength to keep waiting for next vision of light at the end of the SWG tunnel.

FYI incase you did not read in the general forum, Aranoc quit Avian once again. I did not waste any time removing his forum access once and for all.

I thank you, Cyrus.

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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!

Hey Cyrus, you gonna join us on TC????

I am really starting the think this might be a HOOT!!!!

Scared of critters again, think of the concept !!!!!!!

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SW:TOR - Mantison Gunslinger, Ironmant Trooper, Manni Jedi Knight
WoW - Dalaran - Manni 85 Mage, Ironmant 83 Warrior, Mantison 80 Hunter
SWG - Chilastra Retired Mantison, Commando / TKA Master aka Trogdor !!!!

Oh I was over joyed when he left. I bit my tongue so very many times. Yes please don't let him back in. He was constantly an irritation to so many of us it was appalling, but in keeping with the mature nature of the Avains I have come to know we were as much as possible tactful.

I believe he even had a run in with Rom (whom I consider Mr. Tact).

I hope that this turd didn't offend Avians too much. I know we disagree at times and likely some of my posts have offended some of you, yet I would never want any of you to disappear from our forums. I don't know any long time Avians who opinions I don't at least listen to. (although I may slash back I hope it is with some decorum).

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Avian Technology and Trade
Lac Plesis
Botanist
Master Chef
Firm Rebel Supporter

Should this be in the public forum? Let's hide our dirty laundry!

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65 min: Fastest Accepted Member in Avian History (as far as I'm aware)
ARCHITECH (Peace to GG)

meh...honestly no regrets..i got money on Aedan doing the splitting though

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Ryric Krael
Former Vice President AGN
Former Director, Section 6
Former Head of Department of the Treasury
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Ask not what your PA can do for you, but what you can do for your PA
"Gone Section Five"

It would be nice, if everyone would just learn to love one another.

Yeah, I split it.... to the wrong damn General forum.

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sigh......


someone delete this thread please....it's like a thorn in someones back...and the poison is slowly spreading....Let's not have any more members corrupted by hatred.....because then I'll have to shoot them all with my Cupid love arrows..

You should take those cupid love arrows and fire them into a bunch of women I work with. Or NYers. Lord knows they need to stop being so uptight and yelling at me all day long about it isn't fair that we turn off their cable 'cause they don't pay the bill.

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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!

Sounds like you've got a whole bunch of stories to tell about stupidity. I love stories about stupid people, makes me feel better about myself.