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Do any of you play on PvP Servers?

There were some Avians on Shadowmoon server some time ago. I don't know if that's still true.

Edward

I believe it to be true, but I don't think there is any organization to it (yet).

I have a character there Arind (Undead Warlock that can make 6 slot bags)

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Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

I ask because I have no interest in PvE servers.


I have an undead 43 rogue on Bleeding Hollow. I lost interest in PvE a very long time ago, during the time when I stopped playing WoW. When I came back, I started playing again, and I went to Bleeding Hollow. My friend Mark never ended up playing my old 25 paladin character, Dazarc, so he's just been sitting there collecting dust. I don't plan on coming back to that character any time soon.n

I don't think I will ever go back to playing on a PvE server. Perhaps when battlegrounds come out, I may consider it.

I chose Bleeding Hollow, because it's a huge server, and it's supposedly the unoficial roleplaying server. It's a nice server, and I like it. It does have its flaws, but so does every server. If anyone is interested in starting a character there, I'll hook you up with some money.

Why is that?

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TheMole
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I don't like PvE servers because in my opinion it's boring; it's not fun. After killing creatures all day, I want to be able to kill someone; and dueling and arena's isn't enough for me. I went to PvP servers for huge raids...I wanted to be able to kill someone anytime, anywhere, and for the time that I've played, it has been really fun.

I haven't played WoW in a couple of weeks though, because I haven't had the time. School has taken presidence.

I was never really interested in starting a character on Dalaran, or Shadowmoon. I was actually opposed to it, but the way things work here, the majority always wins out. (most of the time)

Yes, I may have said that I didn't mind us starting on Dalaran, but truthfully, I wanted to goto a Pvp server.

So, there you go.

To me that means no sense. Why go to a completely different Pvp Server then what we have already talked about. It has been known for some time now that we wre if we wanted to PvP would be on shadowmoon

At sometime i will problay go pvp who knows. Problay would of loved to started it when the game came out just so i could stand a better chance there but it don/t matters as leveling decently fast here

I was never interested in the Shadowmoon server. The way things work here, people don't always get what they want. If I'm going to pay monthly for a game, then I'm going to play where I want.

Orbital and I were some of the few who didn't agree on certain things. I just never bothered to open up my mouth until now. I decided to say something now because I wanted to.

I don't hate you guys, I wanted to play on Bleeding Hollow, that's all. I orginally joined Bleeding Hollow because it was the unoficial pvp roleplaying server, and I had a good 6-8 f real life friends playing there. It's not too much of a roleplaying server anymore, but since I have a high level character there, I haven't left.

Oh well, you can't make everyone happy. .... Perhaps in the future I'll start a horde character on Dalaran...though I wish battlegrounds were out....I only wish I had more time to play...

p.s. I'm not angry.

I started a Mage on Shadowmoon a while ago. PVP does interest me but once I worked up to lvl 15 or so I got bored not having any Guildies around.

I like PVP and once I get (any) character up in level I will probably raid quite a bit. I agre that battlegrounds will probably cure my non-pvp blues. In the end though I like that we are on a PVE server. The idea of dodging gank squads was a huge reason for me leaving SWG, I wouldnt want to have that happen to me here as well.

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Moge

Well, that's your prerogative. You can play anywhere you like.

If you like to play with other Avians you can play on the Avian server. If you want to play with your friends you go to their server. If Orbital wants to play on Khadgar, he can go there.

You make your choices and no one can tell you to do otherwise.

Edward
has another char on another server to play with his other friends who are in a huge guild on that server

What is the gameplay like on a PvP server?
Are there chars from both sides roaming through the whole world or are there terretories where you can be sure you wont find anybody attacking you?
What is it like to go through contested areas? Are Horde and Alliance players attacking each other every time they spot one another?
How strong are different terretories seperated from each other character lvl wise? How are the chances that when i am leveling with my lvl 30 char (in an area well suited for my level) a lvl 50+ char drops by and kills me?
Is there actually something like an honour code that most players respect? eg the situation when a lvl 30 and a lvl 55 char meet?
Because of the chance of being slain by a higher lvl char oder beeing overcome by a group of players - do you go out in groups to protect yourself and each other more often than you would in PvE?
Loche mentioned the inofficial roleplaying PvP server - is there any roleplaying on PvP servers at all? More or less than on PvE servers?
Uh... lots of question - sorry about that but still got one more:
How is PvP handled on RP server? When horde and alliance chars meet and one char states that he would attack know, does the other one have to accept the duel then (from a role-playing perspective) - even if he didnt want to fight and rather flee (to find out if he is able to run away)?

its pretty much a free for all. No code of honor to speak of. yeah some people are nice enough as a lvl 50+ to not gank a lvl 20 or 30 but no guarentee.

Only place you can be attacked is in contested areas. for alliance you start getting missions there around lvl 22 or so. You see a wide range of lvls in each area. some are just passing through while others are questing there.
Even in goldshire - a lvl 10 town - you still see 30+ running through all the time.

as for the RP, while I do not play on it I would assume it goes as follows: Gank first RP the death.

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Moge

Not to thread jack... but I feel like it is silly to inject too much honor into your game play when you are on a PvP server. If I am a alliance priest, I should want to eradicate any undead I run across... no matter what level. As a player I understand not griefing noobs…. But chasing them and putting the fear of god in them is not grief.

In WWII did the brits pass by some germen’s because they were young? No. In A New Hope, did Vader fly past Luke in the trench run? No... Vader took out Luke’s whole group and Luke was lucky to get away… we don’t call that griefing, we call that good entertainment.

but shouldnt that be happening on the RP server while PvP server are for fair PvP?

You are probably right. But just because I am on PvP does not mean I stop all RP. That is the problem with most PvP servers, the crowd there is either too ruthless, or overly sensitive about imaginary rules of honor that when applied to the fullest eliminate all RP. This is a MMORPG after all… no matter what server you are on. If you want pure PvP you are playing the wrong game.

My priest vs undead encounter sometimes happens on the PvE, but more often than not the undead runs around in circles and jumps on my dwarf... while I cant attack him at all. Very un RP if you ask me.

There were a few times I came across a PvP enabled noob... I attacked without the intent to kill.... just scare. Each time I was hoping the guy would run when he figured out he could not win, and I wanted to play like he barely escaped. These events were very fun, added spice to my game, and I hope it added spice to the other guys game.

But role-playing shouldnt be an excuse for ganking. I think PvP servers were meant to shift the focus from RPing to PvP in which the winner is determined by the player's skills and not the characters advancement. I see your point though and you are prolly right that there are a lot of people either too ruthless or over-sensitive. My take is just that when i am on a PvP server I want fair competition. I guess more often than not the lvl 55 char who kills the lvl 20 player is not role-playing it - and thats sad in my eyes... Ilike the way you do it though - maybe there should be RP server with PvP enabled for those wo truly wish to role-play the war between horde an alliance. Maybe that is somewhat gonna happen when battlegrounds are introduced.


Very true...
But i am tempted to blame the undead player a lot for that un RP behavior as well. That doesnt help the problem though...

No, PVP servers are for PVP.

Not fair PVP, that's duels.

Full-on, open PVP.

There's a war on between the Horde and the Alliance over too many (partly imagined) slights, a major breach of trust and flat-out revenge. A war does not mean honor, it means taking every measure you can to win. Fairness does not come into it. Not ever.

Edward

Which is why I don't play on those servers.

Not that I don't agree with that, I do.... War is ugly...

But I don't need that in my gaming.. I enjoy PVE, so thats what I play.

Defending cities from invasions is my kind of thing, not random ambushes in STV all time.

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Yes - but the war is a RP thing - and i am under the impression that only very few players on PvP server actually RP this FFA situation. If they RPed it - sure no problem, but those high lvl chars junst runningn around ganking other lower lvl chars to bolster their (the player's!) ego and proof that they are uber, 1337 and whatever doesnt have much to do with either RP or the fight between Horde and Alliance.

If you were a Real Life Orc and spot a Real life Dwarf, would you attack him, or just wave hello?

In Real Life Most Orcs kill dwarfs on sight. Just because you are on PvP server does not mean the relationships between Orcs and Dwarves goes away. Regardless of level, the enemies status remains.

If blizzard wanted to give players a low level free pass they would block PvP when fighting someone X levels below your level. That would be a “Honorable system”… but that is not exactly what blizzard wants for their PvP server. Most of the fun in these games comes in the form of fear. Players create hurtles of Honor where a Orc should not kill a young Dwarf, but they do not understand that WarCraft is about War. Dwarfs need to fear Orcs. Big Orcs can be found in the world, and fearing them can be fun.

People on the PvP server who think they need a free pass because they are low level are wrong. You can not bring your own preconceived notions of PvP to a PvP environed that does not support those notions.

If you want honorable PvP, you should play on a PvE server, then locate a good group of opponents. Then set up rules of conduct as both parties see fit. Decide the rules on engagement and have your fun. Maybe you make a where each player does a /pvp whenever they see a member on the other team, or maybe you only /pvp a certain times. This is the only way to have PvP with honor, and it is only possible on a PvE server. This is want I would like to do with Avian for only those who are looking for this kind of thing

I guess i just have a problem with those who PvP lower lvl chars because of their ego and their delight in (easily) killing other people while they dont care about the RPing background....
It might not have sound like this but I dont have aproblem with this all out situation as long as it is brought into the RP background - but I can see a lot of people on PvP server not caring about the RP background and only caring about how many people they have killed.


Judging from your opinions I think all RP server should be PvP enabled all the time - or at least most of the RP should be, since this nasty war full of revenge and hate and the likes is the core of the game.


What is the correct plural of server?!

Look what I've started,

Really this is a good thread. I firmly believe the best PvP experiences are to be had on the PvE servers, where parties can type /pvp to engage in PvP when they want. This is the type of PvP I am interested in. The kind I can start when I want to, yet avoid when I want to. I am not the type of player the PvP server really want… that is why I don’t play there.

The problem with PvP servers is that it is a free for all, and most players do not like all that free for all has to offer. I am cool enough to not kill a noob, but that is not to say I wont play my part and attack him. PvP severs attract too many people that will kill noobs. They attract too many hardcore players, and I am not leet enough to be in the same league.

On our server we can type /pvp anytime we want to turn ourselves PvP enabled. I do this every now and then to give the horde a chance to attack me. Most of the time they don’t… or I see a character too high for me so I end up sneaking around until the /pvp wares off.

I long for the day we can have some Avian Horde vs Avian Alliance encounters or even full on battles. Being beat by a stranger does nothing for me… being beat by friends makes for good conversation. I would love to be able to have good honorable fighting between our Horde and our Alliance characters. Then come to the forums to tell everyone stories about the encounter.






I am growing up an Orc who has a thing for pig meat. I cant wait for the day he has the chance to feast on ‘Smokey’ meat! Mantison are ya game?

BAH !!!!!!! Smokey will never fall to a stupid old filthy Orc !!!!!

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WoW - Dalaran - Manni 85 Mage, Ironmant 83 Warrior, Mantison 80 Hunter
SWG - Chilastra Retired Mantison, Commando / TKA Master aka Trogdor !!!!

An only good alliance is a dead alliance.

I'm an undead 43 rogue. Whenever I see someone my level, or higher then me, I always kill them.

Always assume a high leveler just got back from ganking, don't let them off the hook, kill them, kill them all.

If I spot someone by themselves who's 5 levels below me, I may attack. That's about as far as with the ganking that I'll go. I don't do any of that 10-20 level below you ganking crap. If I see someone 10+ levels above me I always attack them. I'll be the first to attack a level 60 in a raid. If 15 alliance and 15 horde are waiting for someone to make the first move, I'll make that first move, and I'll go straight for the highest level. I have no fear.

FOR THE HORDE!!

Apparently part of the partially announced honor system does something a bit like this: if you killa young dwarf, that is way beneath your ability, you will not get any honor for it. Only if you kill an adversary of your own ability or better wil you get honor in the eyes of your faction.

So, there will be no point in ganking lowbies, if you could have used the time better to fight enemies around your own level.

Edward

Yup, Edward's right. I don't know when this "honor" system will be added, but it will be great. You'll be able to go up in ranks as you accumulate honor points, or whatever they're called. With each rank, you'll be able to choose from a variety of PVP gear, only available to those rank. So I'm assuming that if you become a general, or whatever its called, and have enough points, then you'll be able to buy some cool armor or weapons for your character, that you'll be able to use in and outside of the battlegrounds. (However, these points may only be able to be obtained from the battlegrounds, though I'm not entirely sure...but however it works the new system will pretty cool!)