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| Author: | Ducky [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:07 pm ] |
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Ok well I was thinking of ways to use my talent points and I was thinking about using them in frost and fire. I mean is Arcane really important when you get in the upper levels? Because I really do not use it all that much right now. I am only level 26 and I have not put any points in arcane so if I should tell me know or I think I may try out the fire and frost thing. What do you all think?? ohhh I almost forgot this is on the PvP server.. And i so love PvP.. |
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| Author: | Flyoc [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:24 am ] |
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Arcane is a MUST HAVE. Max out Improved Arcane Explosion, I'm not concieving a mage without instant AE. And the pyroblast you'll get in fire is pretty much useless without Presence of Mind. And Evocation rocks. Need I say more ? Elemental mages are pretty gimp imo. |
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| Author: | Ducky [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:42 am ] |
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Why are they gimp??? Is arcane that much better than frost and fire?? I have been focusing on frost for the most part and then some fire I really do not use arvane at all. Should I change that?? |
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| Author: | Arindel [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:47 am ] |
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Arindel is Frost/Arcane and I enjoy the build. I also enjoy seeing the fire output damage from fire mages too  .
Frost Mages are excellent for fairly decent output damage, fire immunes and crowd control. they also have some fair defensive spells when things turn bad. arcane is an excellent backup to any tree. Evocation is useful to have, but not a must. Presence of Mind helps with a free cast and I tend to save that for more expensive spells (like Blizzard) |
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:34 am ] |
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It's very hard to argue against the usefulness of arcare. With 21 points in arcane you get essentially two instant spells, arcane missles and arcance explosion (also an aoe). You also get Evocation which is very nice, Prescence of Mind and improved Counterspell. These are all very helpful, some might say essential spells and improvements. However, one can live without them. An all ice mage has some awesome survival and kiting skills, plus real damage. An all fire mage can kill incredibly fast with the best burst damage in the game. I think Fly is right when he says that elemental mages are gimped, but they are still viable. I'm currently using a 44 fire and 7 frost build. It's more of a speciality build based on what I want to do with this toon. I think it works very well for PVP (think Warsong Gulch) and to help solo high level elites. Lately I've been grinding Warsong Gulch. I think it's fun and different and though I'm sure I'll never get that high there's some possible rewards down the line. This build seems to work really well. My frost points are spent in Permafrost, which increases chill effects, and Improved Frost Nova which reduces my the cooldown by 4 seconds, both very helpful in PVP. Combine this with the burst power of the fire skills and I've done quite well. I'm almost always in the top 3 on the alliance side. This may be normal for mages with decent gear but I think the build helps. I also like to solo elites in Tyr's Hand and Winterspring. The drops are great and so is the challenge. From what I understand pure frost mages are better at this because they can kite the dudes but this build, again, works well for me. Pyroblast as an opener (often with Combustion on top) is perfect for these mobs. Anyway, I love the debates about builds, and God knows I've spent tons of gold trying out different ones. The BEST build is probably a 30/21, with your pick of 30 in fire or frost. I also would say there are few bad builds. Good luck! 
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| Author: | Flyoc [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:52 pm ] |
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You're not AEing anything without instant AE. Anything. All the mages of my guild says so, it's a must have. |
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:28 pm ] |
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IAE has some advantages but mostly I'd rather Blastwave, Flamestrike, Cone of Cold or even Blizzard. All of them are more mana efficient, and in my case with points in the fire tree, Blastwave and Flamestrike are much more efficient. |
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| Author: | Flyoc [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:40 pm ] |
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Try all these (except Cone of Cold, and Blast Wave which has a 45 sec cooldown) while 10 mobs are on you. Not sure you'll get that much dps heh
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| Author: | Ducky [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:18 pm ] |
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ok well I still can not decide on what to do. ohh well I guess Iwill just play with it some more. |
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| Author: | GodOfGophers [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:14 am ] |
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Or Frostnova, blink and Flamestrike twice. 
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