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Figured I would start a fresh thread for this.

Ive been ingame maybe an hour. I am a little torn about all this.

First the good:

I love love love the new HAM system. Granted Im still a noobie 1000 Marksman but it really is very nice.

*cough*

Now the bad news:
Buggy, so very buggy.
Auto attack does not work
AI is messed up, some things will not even attack me as I stand there and drill away at them
Once I attack a lair I cannot /peace I will remain in 'combat stance' - no music - until I attack something else and kill it. Even getting on my mount and dismounting does not fix it


Misc: Not good not bad just different
The 'grind' will take forever. Took me about 30-40 kills to get 1xxxmarksman.
No more spawn milking. Missions will incomplete if you leave for a while
Personally I like the new icons (many on the boards do not)
At noobie levels you dont need armor. I havent come close to getting incapped even once.
No Armor certs until you get Novice Elite

Conclusion: If they fix the *Mountain* of bugs and tweaks this will be a whole new game. If they don't...well we just started a whole new game with the same bugs we had 2 years ago.

Time will tell.

One thing is for sure. This aint your Fathers SWG anymore. Grouping is key, solo play is possible but it will be slow. Ill write more later once I grind up a bit.

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Moge

ok. To auto attack you need to set it first.

Press Control and the CLICK on the ATTACK in your Toolbar and it will be set as your autoattack.

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Moge

i haven't been following it much ...will there be a conversion of your existing combat related skills...or is there some sort of massive reset thats going to occur?

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If the new icons are the ones Obo posted they are cool..for any MMORPG except SWG they totally do not fit the game's design at all they look like something out of Everquest or WOW

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Ryric Krael
Former Vice President AGN
Former Director, Section 6
Former Head of Department of the Treasury
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"Gone Section Five"

Keep the reviews coming… I am really rooting for SWG even if I don’t come back to it.

The one thing I remember was how fast things improved in the JtL beta. I hope the troubles you see Moge are fixed as quickly as similar things were fixed in JtL beta.

About the icons: The first thing I noticed in WoW was the wonderful icons. I was not expecting such a small thing to have that effect on me. They fit the art of the game very well. SWG is doing several small new things that EQ2 and WoW did successfully. I think the new SWG icons are a step in the right direction.... but their style does not "Do It" for me. I hope they are place holders, or look better in-game. The SWG website uses great Star Wars style. Some of that style was in SWG back when I played it… just not in the icons.

But hell what do I know. I am not playing SWG, I am just watching it like a hawk, hoping SOE does something that justifies me activating my account.

me too

and for those Browsing impaired...These were the images i was refering to
http://avian-gamers.net/images/ui_new_i ... mp.dds.gif
http://avian-gamers.net/images/ui_new_i ... p2.dds.gif
http://avian-gamers.net/images/ui_new_i ... p3.dds.gif
http://avian-gamers.net/images/ui_new_i ... p4.dds.gif

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Ryric Krael
Former Vice President AGN
Former Director, Section 6
Former Head of Department of the Treasury
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Ask not what your PA can do for you, but what you can do for your PA
"Gone Section Five"

ok here is a bit more.

the reason why nothing around the Noob areas in Cities are not attacking is becuase they are not -supposed to-. I guess all noob areas are risk free kill zones.

Without a group it will take you forever! to get Novice anything. We had a group of 5 people and we where all either 3000 or 0030 marksman and we got OWNED by a single gungan. We had 1k Ham and this guy hit us for 600+.

Armor better really work same for defenses or we are all screwed.

grouping is actually a lot fo fun now. You get full XP if you just get 1 shot off and while at the Noob level no one has 'specific abilities' you can see where you will all fit in the scheme of things once you get Novice.

There is a Bug right now where you can type any command and it will work so my group was playing around with Doc buffs and such. Looks like the initial Doc buff is in the Medic line and does 10% Health. Im sure that will increase with skill but that is where it starts. Nothing has timers so I have no idea how long that lasts.

The other Doc buffs where 20% combat speed, 10% Mind 10% action.
Also, CMs have /paralyze which is like a Root or Warcry and Docs have /bactaInfusion which is a Heal DOT.

As a noob game I feel a little limited being confined to the Noob areas to kill anything. Without armor even a Nightspider can 3 shot kill you. So Novice is where you can (right now) start actually fighting things.
Again, changing professions will suck! You will need a group of people to help you level to novice otherwise it will litereally take you days of camping Keren Starport spawns to get there.


I like the new specials. All professions have instant state heals. You get Recover from KD at Marksman which is cool. I think Rifleman get Recover Dizzy, Blind and stun. All seperate skills and I do not know the cool down time for them.

My final thoughts are still out as I hold reservation about how fast a noob gets killed. I wonder what it will be like at Novice or even master.

the AI Hate is way out of wack right now. If something incapps you it will attack you even before you are able to stand again. So if you go down, you will go down 2 more times. They need to loosen that up a bit; Give a Brother a chance!


Baring ALL of that, I like what I see. A little teak here and there and we have ourselves a ball game.

More later.

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Moge

On Faction Armor: Its goign to cost MILLIONS!

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Moge

if only when I left I had not dropped armorsmith so that I would never be tempted...thats a tad ridiculous though but meh...

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Ryric Krael
Former Vice President AGN
Former Director, Section 6
Former Head of Department of the Treasury
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Ask not what your PA can do for you, but what you can do for your PA
"Gone Section Five"

Rather than waiting for one big thread Im just going to post these as I see them. Everything I post is a Dev comment.

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Moge

Commando: The next FOTM


Explains why Commandos are the next FOTM

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Moge

Ok seriously. Enough. I dont want to be a commando but it looks like everyone will be. Only Prof with a DOT and there specials travel from profession to profession. So they can have a Rifleman DOT etc. I know this Dev plays Commando but he just made a God Mode That bothers me.

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Moge

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Moge

Heh, pythonesque Killer Rabbit!

But seriously, these changes look cool.
Just made Aubai on TC-5, I'll log in later today for a little more testing...

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Meriander, Paladin
Rentin, Warlock
(Emerald Dawn, WoW EU server)

Looking at the trees I noticed that Block, Dodge and Counter are gone. TKA gets an 'unarmed Protection' thing and I didnt look at the others but rifleman and most others only get Ranged and Melee Def.

Im sure this is a good thing, it prevents stacking and keeps the def mods in the professions that are supposed to have them.

BTW. Jedi looks like it may be Nerf central. Our Saber Block was reduced to 85 total and our toughness has been taken away completely. *ALL* Defensive stats where moved to Defense tree so now it looks like MLS and Mdef are going to be almost required leaving only enough points to get 2 more trees.

No one is testing jedi yet but man o man, this could be the beginning of the end for Jedi. It really looks grim.

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Moge

I don't know if you guys remember, but Commando was already God Mode.

Commando / TKM is a monster in the current game.

Played for about an hour last night... LOVE the new icons, and I did quite a bit of looking through the skill trees...

I will love this new system once we get all the bugs out... that is what "Beta" is for...

Obviously, my name is Mantison on TC-5. Started on Tat.

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SW:TOR - Mantison Gunslinger, Ironmant Trooper, Manni Jedi Knight
WoW - Dalaran - Manni 85 Mage, Ironmant 83 Warrior, Mantison 80 Hunter
SWG - Chilastra Retired Mantison, Commando / TKA Master aka Trogdor !!!!

I'm working on the DL now. Still sick today so hope to join you guys on TC-5 today. We should do some nice grouping like the old days by the sounds of it.

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"I built me a bomb and dropped it on every MFer who got in my way!"

It would seem you get the defences for the type of damage you deal. Commandos get Heavy Weapon Defence.

Found this on the boards. I think Max player level is 60

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Moge

I am actually considering renewing my account, didnt think I ever would but some of this really has me interested (especially since I havent really played WoW in about 2 weeks). I would like to see how the armorsmithing profession ends up in this, been reading the forums a bit today as I have had time and it looks interesting.

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Section 6

Honestly, if they get the Balance right this really could be the game we all have been waiting/praying/hoping for. But It all comes down to balance.

I really do love the new combat system. The new weapons, armor damage types. I even like that we have PL and CLs now (player level, creature level).

No more soloing huge mobs, groups actually have a purpose. No more lair milking (I confirmed this again today). So many good thing.

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Moge

more on faction armor. Again, all my Quoted posts are direct Dev posts.

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Moge

Well, they were always there, just didn't mean much with everything screwed up.
I'm not sure how I feel about the "levels". I'd like to see if a bit more transparent.

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Moge

Anyone taken a good look through the skill trees yet?

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My experience so far testing the CU....

Lag.... lag....... LAG...... laglaglaglag........ LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG..............

And really, really buggy.

The lag made it nearly impossible for me to test anything, so I can't form an opinion on the changes yet.

I know it's in testing. I know bugs are supposed to be rampant.... but this really reminds me of initial release, and I have a sinking feeling they are going to do the same thing they did before.... release it too damn early with way too many damn bugs in it.

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I am holding back comment on the CU until I can actually get in and test the significant changes besides having uber-worrts rampant around Bestine

Once they fix the lag and xp/kill issues I should be good to dig in deeper.

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"I built me a bomb and dropped it on every MFer who got in my way!"

If I remember rightly, the early tests for JTL were lag-ridden and they fixed that.

I've had a little play on TC and the changes are certainly interesting. Will have to group up with a few of you at some point and have a good group session.


The xp is a bit annoying. I got 35xp for everything, regardless of how tough it was.

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Lag: Where were you at? I immediatly moved to Keren and I dont get much lag at all. There are to billion people on Tat and Theed so the Lag there is horrible

XP: Devs have said teh XP is way wrong. They will be raising it. The idea is that you can make the first box is only a few kills, not 50-60 like it is now.

Bug: The major bugs they dev have already acknowledged and should be fixed Monday or Tuesday.

Ive read almost every dev post over the last few days and there have been over 50 posts, I actually have high hopes for this CU. Time will tell though.

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Moge

I've been on Tat. First around Mos Eisley, then around Bestine. Lag is so horrible inside the city that It took me literally a half an hour to get the skill trainer to talk to me in order to train Pistols 1. I stayed on Tat mostly because the Devs have said that is where they want to concentrate testing for now. Bear in mind that I'm stuck with dialup, so it's worse than you broadband folks.

I've been grouped most of my time in-game. The XP is excruciatingly slow. I really can't wait for them to fix it.

AI is completely messed up. Most of the time, you can shoot at anything and it'll never turn around to attack you. Creature lairs are not worth shooting, as it takes a half an hour to kill one.

I guess I'm concerned about the timeline the Devs have made to push this to live. The Combat system touches everything in the game. There is nowhere near enough time to get it done right by when they want to release it. It's a major overhaul, and they should be taking their time to get it done right. This is the part that reminds me of the original release.

It's these things that make it so that I really can't get a feel of what the CU is going to be like. Hopefully after they fix some of the most glaring issues, I can get a better idea of how things are going to be. I also hope they allow us to test out the elite professions soon, too. I really want to see what my Smuggler is going to be like in combat. I'm thinking of going Smuggler/Commando, as I may need the extra muscle after they put Smuggling missions in the game.

I have to say... I'm not crazy about the new icons. They're not as clear as the old ones. I am also not a fan of most of the new particle effects, as I think they don't really fit into a Star Wars atmosphere. It's fine for EQ2, but not in SWG.

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TC is down for a publish update. I hope this is the XP/AI fix as all else kinda rests on that. Ill post notes once I see them.

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Moge

We can only hope.

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XP is fixed. I get about 900xp per nuna now and things see to be attacking me. Im almost 4004 marksman now.

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Moge

Well after my second evening of play and the new Patch I can say things are looking up.

XP is right on target. It took me 3-5 kills to get the first box and I am now 3333 Marksman in about 2 hours time.

Group Missions are fun now. there is now a Player Level and a Group Level. So once grouped your Total level is taken into account. I grouped with a level 5 player and our GL was 7, after we both dinged it went to 8.

Lairs now spawn acourding to your GL now and will spawn more or fewer and tougher or weaker MOBS depending on your GL (based on who is with XXm of the lair when it spawns).

Small changes like with make it seem to me that all is on track. I think my Wednesday things will be looking very good and we will probably be moving on to Novice Elites by then.

Again I have to say how much I like the new HAM system. No buffs, no worries just get load the game and go kill. Love it.


Now the bad stuff:
the Hate system is still way to high. I get incapped again before I am able to even stand.
Lag lag lag
Ive even rubberbanded a few times.
blah blah blah.

But with one patch they did manage to fix a slew to problems. Monday is probably the next patch and I would like to see Group UI fixed first. Not having your Group GUI update cuases huge problems for Tanks and Docs.

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Moge

Despite the bad stuff listed after this excerpt, it sounds like a breath of hope wafted in...I'm definitely going to keep an ear open to what you guys are saying about the changes.

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Liro
"The english language is not a wedding gown, it doesn't get better the more lace you add. It is instead a thong. Less is more." From /.
I need to remind myself of this regularly.

there really shouldn't be any mistake. Other than the Jedi system (which I think is FUBAR) I am quite pleased with the CU.

I continue to list the good and the bad but for me if they even come close to balancing the CU compaired to what Live is now, I am sold.

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Moge

I agree. I think they'll get the main system down with this update and will continue to tweak it for the next few months. Remember with JTL, by the end of beta it was much better than the start of beta and then, when it went live, the odd tweaks here and there were still done to improve it further. So, the CU doesn't have to be exactly right when it goes live, it just has to be 90-95% right.

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Ok, logged in again tonight.

• The XP is much better.
• The levelling system encourages you to go for the stronger targets as you level or the XP is reduced.
• Beginning to not like the icons, as many have said they are too confusing.
• I do like the fact that I can use my two-hand weapon melee abilities with a one-handed weapon. So I can get a more powerful attack on the lesser weapon. This aids advancement progress when trying to level in more than one skill branch.
• The way attacks are queued is still a bit buggy. You seem to have to re-initiate the auto-attack after doing a different special.
• I do like the way that you can set up the auto-attack.

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I am probably going to stay away from CU for a little bit. I log in every day to see the progress but things really seem to be getting, well, not better.

I know they need to break things to fix things but I fear that with the amazing amount of bugs in CU right now that they will not have time to actually balance the game.

I still hae high hopes for CU but for now I will stay away becuase I seem to get less and less happy about what I am seeing.

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Moge

Surely if you're getting less and less happy it would make sense to log in more? You can then give detailed feedback as to what it is you do and don't like and hope that that feddback is acted upon.

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