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What is the difference here? I think both are BGs but I am not sure how they differ.

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Moge

Alterac valley is a huge strategic thing for 40 player groups on each side, multiple quests, a resource system, destroying enemy towers and a whole lot more strategic goodness.

Warsong Gulch is small, focused 10 vs. 10 action. Only a single quest and the objextive of the BG is capturing the enemies flag and bringing it back to your base. The side to manage it first three times wins. Games take about an hour to finish.

Edward
Official info on Alterac
Official info on Warsong Gulch

Glutch anyone can play. It groups you with and against players of similar level. Alterac is for levels 50 or 55 to 60.

Glutch is a 10 man vs 10 man capture the flag. First team to capture the other teams flag and bring it back to their base 3 times, wins.

Alterac is a war zone. There are missions inside, and there are several ways to win. There are towers and keeps and graveyards. You kill the NPCs at the enemies towers and keeps and graveyards and they become yours. Eventually you mount an attack on the enemies main fortress.

Alterac takes a long time, Glutch does not.


Offical Bliz BG pages

Gultch is by far the best. I've been spending a good bit of time there leveling my pvp up, and I have found the best strategy is to go all out offence. If you have a good group you go in take their flag 10 v. 5, and once they are dead you go into midfield and kill their flag carrier on the way back 10 v. 5. This puts the odds in your favor.

That sounds very smart. All reports I have heard were teams having 5 on offence and 5 on defense.... and the other team doing the same. This would always be each team on even footing.

The 10 vs 5 that Calvin talks about would usually give you a 5 man advantage... and in the rare occasion that the other team uses the same play, you would be on equal footing.

Very smart Calvin!

BTW can Warlocks still summon the flag carrier? I remember hearing players complaining about that tactic. Seemed smart to me if it could be pulled off.

The summon thing was fixed in the post patch mini patch. (1.5.1)

I had a blast in alterac last night. We won the fight after killing the horde boss and I got nearly 10k bonus honor.

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Wermas Tanares
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Nawa

Horde is flawed in AV. Alliance can just pull our leader outside the base and kill it without effort, and I'm not talking about the fact that Alliance has a bridge while we have jumpable fences (think they fixed that in the last patch though). That's why AV has been down for 2 weeks now on our server...

In what concerns the gulch, well now everybody rushes the other side at the beginning, which generally ends in a battle at the middle of the map. That's where the class designed to have the best survivabilty (I quote blizzard here), the paladin, generally survives longer than our flag carrier ;_;
Hopefully this happens only if the alliance group isnt clueless about what PvP means so that's ok.

About levels, AV is for 51 to 60s, WG regroups people who are 21-30, 31-40, 41-50 and 51-60.

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Flyoc,
Farm with attitude.

However, I regularly spend more than two hours waiting in line for Warsong Gulch without finding a full group to play with. That is on the Horde side on Lvl 47.

Edward

When we fought the horde boss he imediately returned to the middle of his room with full health if he got pulled outside his building. It happened a few time with us since people who have aggro and are about to die tend to run

If this is what you meant then it has been fixed by Blizzard

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Nawa

I just done my First Warsong Gulch, Seem to fly by only last maybe 10-15mins if that. But was fun from the time it started to the tiem it ended.

Though as you problay all figured already i really disliked waiting 45+ to an hour to only get about 10-15 of pvp(guessing it could be much longer or shorter). Ok i am now 1/3 getting into BG today i missed the icon twice one from going to the bathroom and other getting a drink

Granted i could do something else but i really don;t have much to do, as if i want to earn money i would just use my Hunter and pick herbs. I was doing Warsong on my pally

Planning on doing Instance runs and trying to PVp on the BG alot next week to hopefully get a better feel for it as i have off all next week

I've had wg battles that has lasted 5 mins and others thats going on at least an hour

Kinda depends on the skills of the players on both sides, and what classes you have

Once i entered with priest (me) and 4 druids, rocked like ****

I'm not sure how easy it is to get av started on your server but here (emerald dream) thats a rare thing

To get enough ppl to get it started

wg is good as it gives a lot of honor (if you win) for fairly short battles, while av seems more a hk fiest

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Myzrael lvl 60 troll holy priest Emerald Dream

Anchee! You are still around?

Edward

Not as "Anchee"

That char is dead

Only time i logg on as alliance is to check out allie ah if there are items there i should buy and resell on tanaris ah

For the Horde!

Mostly online as Myzrael, but if you ever make a horde char, add Myzrael, Hekate, Vixen and Moonkin (last 2 are very new and i'm not sure how much i will play em) to friends list

I like horde because there seems to be more mature players here, not so many kiddies and n00bs. And a lot less lagg since we're like 15% of the server pop

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Myzrael lvl 60 troll holy priest Emerald Dream

Hrmpf, I am playing Horde on another server with my Blizz buddies.

I'll be sure to add your chars, though.

Edward

Well I went into WG today for the first time. I went in 3 times and we took the win only once and that was due to the Horde not having enough players.

The way it seems is that since the horde barely have any players (pvp) it is the same people in there all the time. Where Alliance has so many that many are new and just run around randomly.

The horde was very organized and won quite easy both times. There many be something to the shamans being overpowered but I dont really care about all that.

I probably will not go in again until Im 46+ as 44 is a bit low to be effective. My goal is to get high enough in Honor that I can get some Rogue Alliance Armor but that may take a very long time with my limited play time. I also learned today that Honorable Kills do not = Honor rather Contribution = Honor.Now knowing that I will target my kills a little more than before.

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Moge

Trust me shammies are NOT overpowered They are good at 1v1 pvp thats all, not in larger battles

shammies has been nerfed and nerfed again

Compared to my priest (holy specced) the shammie is a wussie (enhancement specced)

Shammie is good at lover lvls but at higher lvls they kinda loose it

However a restoration specced shammie rock at healing

Not sure about the % on your server, here is approx 15% horde. So sure its not that many that can go to wg, however the % of pvp active horde players seems way higher that on the allie side.

I have a "deadish" allie druid and from time to time i logg on the check ah and stuff like that, and it strikes me how many allie players that run around without titles. Only titleless hordechars i know would be inactive chars...

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Myzrael lvl 60 troll holy priest Emerald Dream