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I have heard that you should actually keep Spd higher than Str if you pvp until both reach about 100. At least keep it above your encumbrance. It keeps you getting the first swing in. At that point the scarcity of pvp targets increases and you should start gearing up for PvE or creature fighting. Speed matters not with creatures it's protection and striking power. Many of my town don't train spd at all after about 100 or so because they want to get Apocolyptica (the 1000 str weapon) before the first praying cap of 1100. At 1100 total stats, 1300, and 1500 there are formulas put in that decrease the return on praying. Of course sometimes I feel like I already hit it. I prayed 90 mana today for 2.3 str. OUCH!

In pvp you should almost never lose. You should intentionally victimize those with overall lower stats than yours. Yes once or twice a day you will get eaten by a bigger fish, but if you do your homework you will always win the battles you choose.

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I'm at level 6 and you look like you are ahead of me in the stats department. I did power into a couple levels (bought a pet, but have to figure out what to do).

i'll post stats later

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

You need to pvp with regular mana more and choose your fights carefully. You add .2 pvp mana with each 2 consecutive wins. You lose .2 with each single loss and with each kill below your level limit. Okay so you log on and you are dead, right? You lose .2 there. If you heal yourself and fight you will get killed later and lose .2 more. If you survive your town war you will get killed again and lose .2 more. That means you need to win 4-6 fights each day to stay even. If you make a push now and use some regular mana to pvp you will increase your pvp mana to a level that eventually will become self sustaining. You need to push to gain a point or 2 each day. This is why it is handy if you can fight early in the morning when more targets live. After pvp is growing on it's own it increases geometrically. It took weeks to get mine to 25 but only days to push from there to 50 which is the max.

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How do you know what their stats are without paying the metal to investigate them?

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When you do the search, you just click on their name, which you know how to do because that's where you can investigate. Then you can just battle from that menu (middle ofthe 5 choices on the right, labeled "fight")

Here is Arindel (guess I need to work stats more )

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

Go on the ML list and choose opponents that are lower than you... well lower than you. There should be plenty. I just search an opponent from the fighting link then choose someone with higher id number. I was so anal about always praying my stats that out of 1300 fights I have lost to some one with a higher id number than me only one time. He got lucky, hit me four times to my one to him and I had him down to 4 hitpoints with the one swing.

Strange thing is I never found a direct link to ML list so I go to news and updates and on the bottom is a link. In "my home" it lists your ML ranking and if you then go to the list it gives the actual summing of the stats. If you go down a few pages or get someone with stats about a hundred or so lower than yours you will not lose to them. It is time consuming but if you add everyone to your blacklist that you find on this ML list BELOW you can quickly go through your pvp. It is just too time consuming for me though to keep up the blacklist so like I said I pick people with "search an opponent" list in "fighting". Pick the guy at your min level with highest id number and wail away.

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Arindel you are losing protection and not gaining equally by having spd so high. Str is overall more important than spd. Yes there is a penalty when spd is below encumbrance but not worth worrying about. If you like spd alot keep it just above your encumbrance. STR gets you a better weapon AND a better armor combo the good double whammy.

Your town should have a list of armor combos but at 60 str you should have 55 protection. It starts to slide from there but at 170 encumbrance I still have 145 protection, at 200 I will still have 170.

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So, I'm up to level 9, and usually get a good 25 pvp wins in a row (if I get on early enough).

What now? What's the main area of content for this level range? It seems once I'm at the 100+ level, I'll be doing town wars and elite fights and all that.

I could go adventuring in the dungeon, but then I sacrifice all my stat gains.

Also, should I be saving my metals up? I did Gem Finding as a skill, and have it up to 64%, so I constantly have plenty of gems to make cash with. Should I be using cash to buy things? Or just save it for later?

I'm in roughly the same boat (only level and we are in the same town Brother.

Not sure what to do with cash as most items I get from the armoury. I think finding quarez in the sands is something you can try (takes mana).

You usually sell your gems (per 100) to the mana tree. This will give you an additional mana. More mana = more actions. I think Brother Arindel is up to 72? I also bought a pet early on so I try to level him up (closing in on level 3). I got killed by a pet the other day, so people use these to get metals from other people.

I was wondering if it was better to power up through the levels in order to gain hps, but I figured this would just leave you with fewer people to pvp well against. Already, I see people who are in the IDs of 120000 that are sandbagging levels to create powerful low-level characters..watch out for them.

Otherwise, I'd like to know what else there is

BTW, maximum skill level is 100. This is the total amount of points that can be divided among your skills. So, you can have 1 at 100 or 2 at 50 (or even 70/30), ...

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

Interesting... where'd you get the pet?

I just hit level 10. I'm not sure what else to do at this point as well. A couple of days ago I spent 30 or so mana looking around the Dungeon. It was interesting. The fights didn't get too tough, and at one point I uncovered a cache of 50 metal, but otherwise not much else.

I've tried the arena a couple of times, won a fight once.

I don't plan on getting a pet.

I killed Arindel once. (Sorry buddy) But hey, you gotta get those PvP fights in a quickly as possible or the opponents will be gone!!

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quote="bigyak"]Interesting... where'd you get the pet?[/quote]
Go to the city and hit black market creatures. It's very odd how they compute it because the closer I got t othe total, the more it ended up costing me. I wanted to get one in before it cost quarez. I think as you gain xps it increases, I would have thought it went by level

The farther you go in the tougher the monsters get. IT will cost you several days worth of mana to find a deep path I think...it helps you remember the map. Objects drop (I have 2 healing potions from there).


Yak did as well and he and I were in the same Town. You'd think he'd be able to see that yellow highlight

Any benefit to a mentor? I don't have one and apparently you can only get one at level 1, 10, 20, 30,...

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

The farther you go in the tougher the monsters get. IT will cost you several days worth of mana to find a deep path I think...it helps you remember the map. Objects drop (I have 2 healing potions from there).[/quote]
Thanks for the info. I also got a 800hp healing potion. I usually just spend my excess (above the /5) turns in there. Lots of room for growth when we get our game out (heh heh heh).



Saw it, and that's why I went for you. It was my way of sending a "how you doin'.


I think only the Mentors themselves get benefits... helps them make special gems or something.

I'm all about character development and getting stronger to fight in town wars and such. There is a lot of different theory as to how to best develop your character. The player named Grym now called Prometheus was in my town for a while and he is probably the best in the game in making a strong toon. His MLAR was well over 15 last time I looked. To make the strongest toon I think you need to avoid pets and such but just my opinion. If you ever want a pet by all means get one prior to level 10 as the cost jumps up to needing a quartz to get one at that point. Just don't waste mana training it until you can use a summoning spell to call it.

Right now the theory I am working on is that I want to level rather quickly so that I get the increases to all stats and mana each time I level. Right now I am leveling every 2.5 days or basically I level after 2 days then 3 days then again in 2 etc. Because I pvp 50 people a day at reset I earn enough gems to keep buying more mana points from the tall tree of mana. Now that my metal finding is maxed I also sell 180 metals every day and earn enough to buy a bread (1 STR point) on the market each day as well. Over the past 2 weeks have bumped my MLAR up to 10.66 and expecting to get to perhaps 10.8 tonight which is good enough for the middle of page 2.

As far as character development goes the dungeon is a bad place. I plan on going there someday but way down the line. Right now the mana is too valuable to spend in there. Of course if you have fun in there by all means go. It's the whole idea.

Having a mentor benefits your town and the mentor as he creates items as you advance. It also is good for you as having a resource to rely on for info, although I have never spoken to my mentor. I get my info from the town encyclopedia and on the town forum. I started questioning the president of my town almost from day one as he sent me a recruitment letter.

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I don't think I have even seen MLAR anywhere in there, but documentation for this game is pretty rare. I imagine most information trickles down.

I didn't know that bread could raise your strength (would the food making skill be useful?) Do you know how those advanced skills work (forging as well)?

I think Arindel is 67 Str, 58 Speed. I did waste some mana doing some non-temple things so I expect a bit of slowdown and I'm definitely doing my PvP in the mornings now. That is getting me 1-2 points on PvP mana a day now.

Pets don't take mana to have fights, but I haven't gotten to a point of training (probably requires the 100 int to summon). but, you can develop your pet through fighting and it gives you another avenue to explore.

Please send any other hints you may have figured out or been told as some of us (or maybe just me) don't see much information. I suppose the town forums and chat are good places. I've used chat a few times to get information.

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

Okay, MLAR is the Marcoland Adjusted rating. You see your ranking in your character sheet. That is summation of many significant stats. MLAR is weighted and adjusted to age. You will need to compute your own MLAR stat initially to find it. Then you can keep track of it.

http://www.tiipsi.com/ranking.php

Magic food raises stats permanently. Bread is strength. Fish is int and meat is spd. Don't bother with MFM until your Magic points are at least 200. You raise those my spending metal or gems but early on you can't earn enough to bother with that. Later it will change.

Jacking up your PvP mana is very hard but worth it if you can do it. After about your min is level 11 or 12 (those who won't give penalty to pvp mana for killing) you have to get on at reset to get much done unfortunately. It seperates people who can't get on at 3 FRIGGIN AM in the morning on the East Coast. The point is if you get to 50 PvP mana you can do part of your leveling just off that and save extra mana for praying.

I don't know much about pets, don't have one and now aren't likely to get one because of needing a quartz. Again maybe someday but now well off in the future.

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My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

...oh and my best advice is to join a good town like TG where all this info is in the town encyclopedia. I will keep trying to supply more info but remember, this is a hard game to learn and I am still doing that myself. Hence my change in theory on how fast one should be leveling. At fairly new levels try to level every 3 days.

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

Hmmm... I'm thinking about getting a pet, but it's going to cost about 190k... almost all that I've saved so far.


Also, has anyone successfully played the gem market? I'm thinking it might be worth it to buy up all the cheap gems and sell them for slightly higher.


I'm coming on Level 10 in two days, and am thinking about switching towns... just to see what content is like elsewhere. Arindel, what about you? It seems Brothers in Arms has a tight group of friendly players, but the forums seem chaotic and hard to gleam useful information from.

If I do move, I'd want to do it now so that I can switch who my Mentor is.

Would it be a good idea for all of us to congregate into the same town?

And, I agreee on your assesment of BIA.

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

Legion of Guardians, or whatever my town is called seems pretty good. Occasional contests, guides, good armory, etc.

My mentor was ok, he made sure I got a couple of forged items. (Cloth Gloves (3/2) and War Pants (20/20)).

I'm just wondering how much longer I'm going stick with this game. Finding people to PvP is tough.

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At higher levels unless you are on at reset pvping is nearly impossible. It is also not necessary unless you are trying to build the uber elite character. Let's face it, we are two years behind in this game. We will never catch the people in front of us. I still make progress up through the ranks but I know eventually it will cease.

Pvping only speeds the advancement of your character by giving you extra mana. Now, it seems like a lot of extra, but at level 50 with 200 regular mana it won't be as important. It gets less important the longer you stay with it.

The Guardians is the best town because they are about a fun forum but also all about excelling in the game. The only thing that sucks is right now they are not selling cheap gems.

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