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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 10:06 am 
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I have been reading the SWG boards and came across a serious topic about dupers. I have a feeling that dupers will find their "day in court" rather soon (at least I hope so).

Since we are a guild of crafters, I am crossing my fingers in hopes that no one in this guild is involved with duping. If you are, please do us all a favor and stop. You are doing more harm than good.

realize that I am not accussing anyone, but rather making a general statement about it.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 10:08 am 
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I'm stupid. What's a duper?

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"Duping" is the practice of duplicating an item by means of an exploit.

In UO duping lead to a virtual collapse of the economy and duping gold has led to a terrible inflation.

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Oh... I thought duping was naming an object something other than what it really was then selling it and running off with the cash... like naming a deed for a small Tat House a Generic Guild Hall and charging 500k...

...glad you clarified.


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Duping allows you to never have to mine/harvest for anything anymore. You sit there in your happy little home and "duplicate" the resources, making hundreds of thousands of the same resource.

Not only does it put miners (who harvest and sell resources on the market) out of business, but in the long run allows people to easily make master crafters in no time (since they do not have to run missions to make money to pay for maintenance and harvestors and what not). Increased competition with goods means a serious decrease in prices of goods to get people to buy them. Not only that, but the dupers do not feel the pinch of working hard to get resources, so they are the ones who WOULD NOT suffer from a drop in price of goods and are usually selling goods at a significantly lower price just to get sales. This puts good, honest, hard working crafters out of business, because the ends would not be worth the cost to create.

All this = a collapse in economy


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bigyak wrote:
Oh... I thought duping was naming an object something other than what it really was then selling it and running off with the cash... like naming a deed for a small Tat House a Generic Guild Hall and charging 500k...

...glad you clarified.


Yak this doens't mean scamming your customers that way is okay, and only duping is bad :)

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TheMole wrote:
I'm stupid. What's a duper?

Wait!

I thought a duper was a really big butt? :P

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Are the devs working on a fix for this???

This is a bad situation indeed.......

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They have a fix for one type of duping, and it will be in Wednesday's patch. Not sure how many types are possible in-game, but I know there is at least two currently, so there will still be dupers in the game after Wednesday's patch. Both the Resource kind and the Big Butt kind. :twisted:

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no words from Devs yet. People are calling for a total banning of all individuals who have been dupping as well as a deletion of all items created from dupped resources. According to what people are saying, dupped materials are trackable and this can be done. So, if you have been dupping, you can be found :lol:


who knows what is next.


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Although this doesn't specify resources, the devs have said that this fix should encompass some of the Resource duping as well.
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# Fixed an exploit where you could duplicate components

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Well, if people have been taking resources and duplicating them, then the whole economy can go down the tubes (there are better choices of words, but humor me here).

I imagine whatever action they take, we may never know about it. But I seriously hope they do something. Just not sure how far it can go. Lots of people probably leveled their way with duplicated resources (as I can atest t othe fact that resource finding can be a major bottleneck in the process).

These people don't need to support themselves through their craft.

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Im afraid as to how this will come out so I waited until the patch to ask this but:
How is duping possible? What did they do? I have read about it - and woud never try it - I am jsust curious how?

if you know maybe post the basic concept, not the whole thing. I just dont see how it can be done.

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And, to anyone who knows how the duping was (or is) taking place .. was it fixed? PLEASE say yes :)

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the Devs said that one of the two ways was fixed. They are still looking for a fix for one of them.

I dont understand way they cant locate the dupers and ban them. Seems easy enough.

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I thought a duper was a really big butt?


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Are the devs working on a fix for this???


I am sick of the people who think the dev's can fix everything immediately. Big butts are a really complex issue.

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http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/boar ... .id=325217

Seems like something is being done if this post is true.

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Unfortunately yes. I was one of the unlucky ones.

I was banned after being issued 2 warnings and failing to explain my actions.

2 days after the dupe controversy, I was contacted in-game by a GM demanding that I explain to him how I had accumulated over 2 million of a rare resource (Ditanium Steel). I refused to respond to him (after all what could he do about it?), and he issued a warning that duping was a bannable offense. After this I decided that the risk just wasn't worth it. After all I had put in a good 4 weeks into my BH character.

I then tried to sell off my stock at some reasonably low prices (about 2.5 credits per resource). Another GM approached me again and demanded that I explain to him how I was able to obtain such a large amount of resources as a BH. I told him I was a commodoties trader and had several suppliers in hand. Needless to say, he didn't believe me and left me with another warning.

Finally the next day I logged into the game, I was immediately contacted by another GM... I suppose this guy was higher in the ranks because he seemed to speak with more authority than the other 2 I had met previously. He explained to me that they had been monitoring my actions for the last 3 days after detecting some large transactions and the large amount of resources in my possesion. He advised me that they had a strong case on me of using one of the duping bugs and if I would tell how I came to know of this bug, which other characters were aware of it, what sites or mailing lists I was a part of, that he would be leniant on my case. Well, full knowing that banning is a rare case, I decided I wouldn't tell him anything and just told him the same story about my character being a good resources trader.

He then basically outright said that I had been caught using an exploit with full knowledge of the implications, and that my account would be terminated as of immediately. The evidence against me was that I:
1. Accumulated an amount of resources in a manner exceeding the limits of the game.
2. I had logged out/in of the game over 2000 times in a 6 day period
3. Did not cooperate when issued a compliance notice.

We left it at that... and I stayed on for the rest of the night. After the server reboots I wasn't able to log into the game anymore. I was sent an email explaining all of the above that happened. By the way, I was also warned not to make any postings or announcements of this as they could pursue further action towards me. How I don't know.

Anyway, I don't know if any others out there have been as unlucky as me. Yes I knew the risks, but coming from UO and EQ.. I wasn't too worried about it. Guess I was wrong.

I'm still kinda irrate about the situation, so I'll wait a few days and see if the game is worth rebuying

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Wow ! Impressive. I'm just wondering why this guy refuses the cooperation...

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I refused to respond to him (after all what could he do about it?)
Maybe he could have fix the exploit. Tssss


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I'm glad they were that strict and that they seemed to handle it fairly (they didn't just ban him, they really investigated and gave him lots of chances to come forward). I hope to see a lot more banning of dupers to tell people this type of thing is not acceptable.

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Their actions decsribed in this post are really good news.

I am kinda worried about that guy's attitude, though. "What could they do about it?", indeed.

It was right they banned his sorry ass.

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