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This is mostly for entertainment purposes, though if you have a "must read", by all means let me know what you think that is. After reading 4 business books, I think I need to escape for some time :)

Title/Author would do :)

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What genre are you looking for?

Steven King IMHO is always a good if not great storyteller.

Dean Koontz, John Grisham, and going back in time Robert MacCammon(sp).... two of his novels stand out for me as a favorites The Wolfs Hour, about a werewolf British spy in WWII; he also has a great post-apocalyptic novels named Swan Song. If you liked The Stand you should like that book also.


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My most favorite series .. start with book I of course
A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire, Book 1) by George R.R. Martin

I'm reading Aztec by Gary Jennings right now. Just 100 or so pages in, but, a pretty good read so far.

Just recently finished Dies the Fire by S. M. Stirling. It was a decent read. Also, if you into the "end of the world" type books take a look at two of my favorite reads On the Beach by Nevil Shute and Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank.

Hmm, I could go on and on, but, I'm not sure what you're into. I've also read some that just stink. Sometimes I'll read the entire book and think to myself "Geeze, why in the heck did I continue", then, sometimes I just get 50 or so pages in. Normally if I'm not "hooked" from around page 50-75 then I put the book down. Too many books to try than to waste time with the bad stuff :)

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I saved the following from a thread a long time ago. It was back when I was still in school, and did not have the time or money to buy the books listed.... But important enough to save the text onto my harddrive.

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You guys have listed some of the best. Here's my top 10 series list.

0. First, I love the ten Amber Chronicles -- awesome, but technically they are Fantasy, so we'll ignore them here. Anything by Zelazny was gold. My favorite quote: “He made Science magical, and Magic seem like a science”

1. The Dune books are a must read. They get better and better. Some didn't like the sixth, but I loved it for how it wove all 6 into one golden thread. Many call it the "Lord of the Rings" for SciFi. Don't read any of the prequels... to quote Penny Arcade's succinct review: "They are raping his dead corpse"

2. Ender's Game is also a must read. My Colonel in the Air Force made it mandatory reading for all new officers. Speaker for the Dead is also excellent, though the others in the series are only good to great... though not as powerful as the first.

3. The Larry Niven "Known Space" books... though there are about 30, the Ringworld series and the Integral Trees/Smoke Ring books are my favorite. Good if you like the "Hard Science" fiction with great stories and amazingly concise thinking. Many also really love his "The Mote in God's Eye" novel he did with Jerry Pournelle... it makes me think of the David Gerrold "The Trouble with Tribbles" Star Trek episode.

4. Neil Stephenson's Snow Crash and Diamond Age are Outstanding. I love nanotech, so Diamond Age is particularly special to me.

5. David Gerrold's War against the Chtorr books are deep, dark, and full of amazingly new ways of thinking and exploring the dark areas of the human Psyche. Skip these unless you’re comfortable with your own sexuality/mental health.

6. The Starship Troopers book (not the movie) was Awesome. Very gritty stuff, reminded me a ton of officer training school. I think this is one that will help your military space writing, and is also a quick read.

7. The first few Hyperion books were very good -- very "Canterbury Tales"ish in space with omnipotent aliens, AI, time travel, great sci fi and ginormous battles. I love the depth of these.

8. Stephen King's Dark Tower books were definately his Magnum Opus. (Opera? I never was good at Plurals)

9. A six-way tie between Neuromancer (William Gibson), Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (Phillip K. Dick), The Hitchhiker’s Guide chronicles (You should know this one), Rendezvous with Rama (Arthur C. Clarke), Fahrenheit 451 (Ray Bradbury?), 1984 (George Orwell).

10. I loved the Battlefield Earth story. If you're going story, that's a great one (the writing could have been cut down by about 200 pages without losing much impact). Again, don’t watch the movie. The mission Earth ones were great, though I haven’t read them in 15 years or so.

I never got into the Foundation books as much as others did. I'm sure that's due to something lacking in my cultural sense, though, as so many respectable nerds love it. I preferred his Robot books.

Obo, I never read James Blish's "Cities in Flight" – I’ll get that one. Your recommendation of Joseph Campbell’s “The Hero with a Thousand Faces” was excellent. I’d also recommend “Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid”… though it took me a year to read it, 3 or 5 pages every day… but it’s probably had more impact on the way I think than any other book.



I will update my personal list and post it soon.


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My most favorite series .. start with book I of course
A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire, Book 1) by George R.R. Martin

Read that and the first 3 books were good to great. I hear the 4th is somewhat disappointing as he slit the book into 2 parts and the 4th deals with only a few main characters and adds some new faces.

I like Non-fiction, fiction, scifi/fantasy. kinda staying away from fiction as that is usually less entertaining.

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My most favorite series .. start with book I of course
A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire, Book 1) by George R.R. Martin

Read that and the first 3 books were good to great. I hear the 4th is somewhat disappointing as he slit the book into 2 parts and the 4th deals with only a few main characters and adds some new faces.


Good .. to great? I would say Great for sure :) But, as for the 4th book I sort of agree. It was not my favorite because it didn't have my favorite characters. Also, I think the LONG wait does not go over well also because of the anticipation. However, it still was a good "middle book" of the series.

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I saved the following from a thread a long time ago. It was back when I was still in school, and did not have the time or money to buy the books listed.... But important enough to save the text onto my harddrive.

Thanks, I almost missed this post as it happened close to my entry.

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I saved the following from a thread a long time ago. It was back when I was still in school, and did not have the time or money to buy the books listed.... But important enough to save the text onto my harddrive.

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You guys have listed some of the best. Here's my top 10 series list....



Funny, I didn't remember writing that list, but it's still the exact same books in the same order with the exact same descriptions as I would have written it now.

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heh... even I remember when you wrote that post. It served it's purpose well for me too.

I just finished up reading Bernard Cornwell's Grail Quest series. It's awesome. They say Cornwell is the heir to Patrick O'Brien as far as historical fiction goes. I'd have to say historical fiction has grown into being my favorite genre. Anyway, An Archer's Tale is fantastic (the first one in the series). Anybody else read any Cornwell?


For non-fiction, I'd highly recommend Ben Franklin's autobiography. I am just finishing it up now. I've never been more impressed with a man's ingenuity and sheer likeability.

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Harry Potter? :P Seriously though, good for a light read.

The Black Magician Trilogy by Trudi Canavan - very well written, I couldn't put the books down reading all three (each about an inch thick) in three days.

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heh... even I remember when you wrote that post. It served it's purpose well for me too.


Hmm, I always woulda picked you as a Catcher In The Rye type, Talon... :twisted:

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heh... even I remember when you wrote that post. It served it's purpose well for me too.


Hmm, I always woulda picked you as a Catcher In The Rye type, Talon... :twisted:

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I just finished up reading Bernard Cornwell's Grail Quest series. It's awesome.


I agree Talon. I really enjoyed that series also. I've read a few other Corwell books, I think one of the Sharpe books and seems like something else, but, nothing on a regular basis.

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The Black Magician Trilogy by Trudi Canavan - very well written, I couldn't put the books down reading all three (each about an inch thick) in three days.


Ahh, not so sure about the very well written ... but, I do agree that it was a fast fun read for sure. I bought the first book over a year ago and could not decide if I wanted to start it or not. Well, the first book went pretty fast and I did find myself wanting to see how it all ended :) It was a fun read.

I'll try and remember to go downstairs today and look at my bookshelf of read books and pick out some of my favorites and see how they stack up.

As for Lord of the Rings -- I'm sure there are lots of people here who just loved the book, but, for me, I thought they were very cartoonish. I just didn't like em that much. I enjoyed "The Hobbit" very much, but, after that it seemed to go down hill for me.

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0. First, I love the ten Amber Chronicles -- awesome, but technically they are Fantasy, so we'll ignore them here. Anything by Zelazny was gold.

I got about about 50 pages into the Amber Chronicles (got the one big massave book with all 10) .. and, could not continue. Maybe I'll give it another shot because I've been on other lists that really recommend this also. As for other books by Zelazny .. any recommendations?

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1. The Dune books are a must read.

I've heard this more and more. I don't know why I have not tried em yet. Thanks for bringing them up again. I'll add the first couple books to my amazon wish list right now :)

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The Starship Troopers book (not the movie) was Awesome.

LOL, I liked the movies also, so maybe I'm just weird :) Also liked the book very much. Fun military type read.

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7. The first few Hyperion books were very good -- very "Canterbury Tales"ish in space with omnipotent aliens,

They are very much "Canterbury' Talesiish .. I read the first book and lost interest. For some reason I was not motivated to continue with the series.

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8. Stephen King's Dark Tower books were definately his Magnum Opus.

I'm slowly working my way through these. Read three of em so far. I think I'm doing it just because others say it is his best work. I'm not so sure I agree though. It is very interesting though.

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10. I loved the Battlefield Earth story.

I have this book downstairs right now but not sure if I want to start it. I have heard others say the book is good but the movie is not. Thanks for bringing it up again, maybe I'll give it a shot now.

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One series I haven't noticed mentioned in this thread is the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan. They're pretty light reading but they seem to be pretty good filler for when I'm waiting at an airport and have a few minutes here and there for reading.

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I just finished up reading Bernard Cornwell's Grail Quest series. It's awesome. They say Cornwell is the heir to Patrick O'Brien as far as historical fiction goes. I'd have to say historical fiction has grown into being my favorite genre. Anyway, An Archer's Tale is fantastic (the first one in the series). Anybody else read any Cornwell?


I just got done reading his Stonehenge book and it was definately a interesting read. Just about to begin the Grail Series book one next.

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Raymond E. Fiest - Rift War Saga (starts with the book Magician, try to get the latest publish as he rewrote it a few years ago).

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heh... even I remember when you wrote that post. It served it's purpose well for me too.


Hmm, I always woulda picked you as a Catcher In The Rye type, Talon... :twisted:


It's on my list, but oddly enough I've never read it. :P

I would also say that Defoe's Robinson Crusoe is a must read. I was pleasantly surprised with its incredible depth and insight into humanity.

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I would also say that Defoe's Robinson Crusoe is a must read. I was pleasantly surprised with its incredible depth and insight into humanity.
I seem to remember reading a kiddies version of that when I was about 5 or something. I know the story but have probably never read the actual work. That does remind me though, I did try reading Treasure Island - Robert Louis Stevenson (I think) at one point. It's very descriptive and long-winded and, as I was only 7 at the time, I couldn't really get into it, got about half-way through though.

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Arindel, I too love good non fiction. Read, Cod, by Mark Kurlansky and found it fascinating! I would recommend this to anyone, anywhere. A really unique insight to the early years of our country. Will start his Basque History soon, too.

Will also echo some of the other's recommendations of Dune and Ender's Game, both of which are absolutely must reads for any Sci Fi fan. My wife even enjoyed them and she hates "that outer space crap!".

I'm a huge Warhammer and Warhammer 40k fan, largely because of the high quality fiction they put out. The sci fi, especially is very good, not high literature, but great action and characters. I recommend the Eisenhorn Trilogy (Xenos, Malleus, Heritcus).

Also nothing wrong with a few classics, Great Gatsby, War and Peace, Moby Dick, anything and everything by Mark Twain.


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Killer Angels, also a great "historical fiction" piece.

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I would recommend Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child's "Pendergast" series:

The Relic (good book, movie had some major changes in it, like no Pendergast, a main character)
The Reliquary
Thunderhead (not a Pendergast novel, but characters carry over)
The Cabinet of Curiosities
Still Life with Crows
Brimstone
Dance of Death
Book of the Dead (just out in hardcover and next on my list)


The books are kind of a weird mix of horror, science fiction, and mystery with a main character in the "Sherlock Holmes" mold.

Other suggestions would be:

Most of Robert Heinlein's "adult" novels:

Methusela's Children
Moon is a Harsh Mistress
The Rolling Stones
Stranger in a Strange Land
Time Enough For Love
Number of the Beast
The Cat That Walks Through Walls
To Sail Beyond the Sunset


I would read the others before reading The Cat and Beyond the Sunset since he bring characters and histories from the other books together in these 2. The Puppetmasters is also a good one by Heinlein.

The Alienist by Caleb Carr is pretty good.

The early Anita Blake novels by Laurell K. Hamilton are nice little reads, not great by enjoyable. Basically, vampires, werewolves, etc. are all real and living in the modern world, with Vampires getting rights under the US constitution, etc. The later ones, starting at about Blue Moon focus less on the mystery and crime aspects and become more.."angsty" (and more and more soft-core porn)

In the same vein (hehe...bad pun) are Kelly Armstrong (Dime Store Magic, Industrial Magic, etc. ) and Kim Harrison's Rachel Morgan series (which have some funny titles, like Dead Witch Walking and The Good, The Bad, and the Undead )


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Anyone suggested Douglas Adams yet? The Hitchhikers Trilogy of Five is well worth the read!

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I went with Ender's Game. A thoughly enjoyable read.

I did catch on to plot before they revealed it, but they did a good enough job with the intro for each chapter that it kept you off guard for a bit. The book seemed to go pretty fast and had alot of undercurrent that could be left for reflection. i think Ender's Shadow is about Bean and that might make a good follow up. Speaker of the Dead, I'll have to check out the plot. it would be great to see if it dives into Peter's thoughts and how he turned out.

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Ender's Shadow is good for some of that reflection. It's mostly the same story but from Beans point of view. Well worth a read even though you've read the first one.


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They're not new books but just read Band of Brothers by Stephen Ambrose and 1776 by David McCullough and both are fantastic histories that read more like novels.

Also it's a rare book but if you can ever find it read the the 20th Maine by Pullen. Yet again a superb regimental history that reads like a novel about the civil war from mid '62 to the end of the war.

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I went with Ender's Game. A thoughly enjoyable read.

I did catch on to plot before they revealed it, but they did a good enough job with the intro for each chapter that it kept you off guard for a bit. The book seemed to go pretty fast and had alot of undercurrent that could be left for reflection. i think Ender's Shadow is about Bean and that might make a good follow up. Speaker of the Dead, I'll have to check out the plot. it would be great to see if it dives into Peter's thoughts and how he turned out.


Somewhere I have the whole series on audio book, might have to break it out again for my commutes to and from work.

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Following Ender's Story (and his Sister)
Enders Game (1)
Speaker for the Dead (2)
Xenocide (3)
Children of the Mind (4)

Following Bean / Peter / Earth Post Bugger Invasion
Enders Shadow (Bean and events during Enders Game)
Shadow of the Hegemon (Post Enders Game Earth)
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Tobi, I just started 1776 by McCullough. How did you like it?

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Tobi, I just started 1776 by McCullough. How did you like it?


Brilliant. McCullough is great at finding the unique stories that tie the time to the people. I read it in two days and I'm a very slow reader. Get getting better the whole way through. Was like a great suspense novel and I knew the ending!!


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Arindel, I too love good non fiction. Read, Cod, by Mark Kurlansky and found it fascinating! I would recommend this to anyone, anywhere. A really unique insight to the early years of our country. Will start his Basque History soon, too.



Read his book on the History of Salt. Good stuff there. I wrapped it up about a month ago.

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Talon1977 wrote:
Tobi, I just started 1776 by McCullough. How did you like it?


I really did not know more than just the surface of that first year. The whole thing seemed constantly on the edge of getting snuffed out before it started. McCullough is great and I really enjoyed 1776.

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GodOfGophers wrote:
Arindel, I too love good non fiction. Read, Cod, by Mark Kurlansky and found it fascinating! I would recommend this to anyone, anywhere. A really unique insight to the early years of our country. Will start his Basque History soon, too.



Read his book on the History of Salt. Good stuff there. I wrapped it up about a month ago.


That's my next book, Manni. Just finished his Basque History. There is very little better than a good history author.


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Just finished 1776. HOLY CRAP was it good. I am fairly sure that's the best modern non-fiction book I've ever read.

Also, it's neat to read two of Thomas Paine's writings to go right with 1776. Common Sense was written and published right when McCoullough's book picks up (just as the King's Speech, at the beginning, reached America), and his first article in "The Crisis" series was published right before the Battle of Trenton, as Washington's retreat was at it's lowest point. Paine was with Gen. Greene during the retreat and it's really cool to read his words and what he thought during this time.

EDIT: For your self-educational convenience, I've located a copy of Common Sense online, here: http://www.bartleby.com/133/

And here is The Crisis online: http://www.ushistory.org/Paine/crisis/index.htm

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