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There were a couple interesting articles on CNN in sync with the release of the Original Trilogy on DVD.

Now there are many Star Wars afficiandos/purists here, but I don't really consider myself THAT big a fan.

One of them has a short interview with GL, and it just left me scraching my head at why people continue to like his movies when he seems to have no regard for his fans.

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Q: Why did you change your mind and decide to put the original three movies out on DVD now?

GEORGE LUCAS: A lot of people are getting very worried about piracy. That has really eaten dramatically into the sales. It really just came down to, there may not be a market when I wanted to bring it out, which was like, three years from now. So rather than just sit by and watch the whole thing fall apart, better to bring it out early and get it over with.


Translation: I was going to lose money, so I grabbed it.

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Q: Why did you rework the original trilogy into the special-edition versions in the late 1990s?

LUCAS: To me, the special edition ones are the films I wanted to make. Anybody that makes films knows the film is never finished. It's abandoned or it's ripped out of your hands, and it's thrown into the marketplace, never finished. It's a very rare experience where you find a filmmaker who says, "That's exactly what I wanted. I got everything I needed. I made it just perfect. I'm going to put it out there." And even most artists, most painters, even composers would want to come back and redo their work now. They've got a new perspective on it, they've got more resources, they have better technology, and they can fix or finish the things that were never done. ...

I wanted to actually finish the film the way it was meant to be when I was originally doing it. At the beginning, people went, "Don't you like it?" I said, "Well, the film only came out to be 25 or 30 percent of what I wanted it to be." They said, "What are you talking about?" So finally, I stopped saying that, but if you read any interviews for about an eight- or nine-year period there, it was all about how disappointed I was and how unhappy I was and what a dismal experience it was. You know, it's too bad you need to get kind of half a job done and never get to finish it. So this was my chance to finish it.

Q: Why not release both the originals and special editions on DVD?

LUCAS: The special edition, that's the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it's on VHS, if anybody wants it. ...

I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn't really exist anymore. It's like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be.


Translation: I wanted it this way, so screw off. Besides I wanted to keep money in my pocket and take more of yours.

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Q: Do you pay much attention to fan reactions to your choices?

LUCAS: Not really. The movies are what the movies are. ... The thing about science-fiction fans and "Star Wars" fans is they're very independent-thinking people. They all think outside the box, but they all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way.


Translation: (*#$& you, I'm the King of the World (ok ok, wrong director)





Also, I found this quote from Carrie Fisher funny, in a sad way:


"I do remember permanently the hologram speech, because we had to reshoot it," Carrie Fisher, who played Princess Leia, wearily told fans at the recent Comic-Con festival in San Diego.

"Whenever I get lost on the way to someone's house, or I just forget your name, it's because I remember the speech. ... 'General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars ..."' she said. "I'm a thousand years old and I still remember that thing. It's very disturbing. I have to take medication, and yet it still won't go away."

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Not a huge SW guru/junkie but I like GL. It is his movie, no matter what people say. Complain and rant all they want, it still belongs to him and he should be able to do what he wants with it. I like that he is trying to please himself as a filmmaker rather then bending to the will of the people who "think" they know how the films should be. If they like it or not, in the end it is on him to feel that what he put out there was the very best he could do personally. Like them (or even him) or not, the Star Wars movies are George Lucas's vision and I'm kind of glad he is in a postion to do what he wants with them. Though some of the changes urk me too. ;) Just how I feel.


Recent quote I saw that pretty much said what I thought about George Lucas and why he keeps "fine tuning" things-

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MARK HAMILL: Well, it's hard for me because I am a purist. I say I want to see not the colorized version of "King Kong," I want to see the black-and-white one as it was released in the theaters.

But knowing George, though, in "American Graffiti" his character was played by Charlie Martin Smith, who was a mechanic, who loved machines, who loved taking apart engines and cleaning them and putting them back together and souping 'em up and adding exhaust pipes or whatever. That's in his DNA. So it reminds me of someone who owns an elaborate train set and you only see them every six months but everytime you do his train set's slightly changed, there's a new bridge, new tunnels, new billboards and trees. That's just George. ... He will always, I think, want to play with it and make it better.

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Last night my wife was asking me about the difference between all the Star Wars Original Trilogies. She was thinking that GL is just milking all the money out of us with all these different versions.

I have the original original Trilogy VHS Box Set.
I have the Original Trilogy Special Edition VHS box set.
I have the Original Original Trilogy DVD (Ripped from Laserdisk).
I have the latest Original Trilogy DVD that just came out.

It was kind of cool having her actually interested. I showed her scenes in the old version and then again in the new version so she could see difference. Overall I think she liked the fact that some of the changes have been made to make the prequels fit better with the original trilogy. She also liked how in EpV Vader was no t honest with the Emperor concerning his knowledge of Luke.

In the beginning my wife was anti GL because of all the versions and the fact that I spent money on all of them. But in the end she liked the look of the new versions and she liked most of the changes. I think I agree with her.

GL in his interviews can be an ass. I have seen more than a few over the years that could be interpreted by fans as being offensive. But too many fans think it should be their way and their way only. And lets face it, none of us can make a movie worth a darn. GL did falter in his greatness with the bad dialogue in EpI and the not funny gungans… Some of the SE changes were poor quality… but it is his name stamped on the movies, not ours. I think he got our message and is limiting some of the prequel crappy-ness from the newer movies. I guess that is all we can hope for.


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Its a wonder that "Star Wars" even happened. That someone that was so independent minded...
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Honestly I have about had it with Lucas. I watched a friends copy of the new new new Trilogy this week and (a) there are too many GALACTICALLY HUGE errors in the thing and (b) too many effects shots that should have been fixed and weren't to make me feel OK about all the addition crap that should never have been put into the movie.

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iJasonT wrote:
Its a wonder that "Star Wars" even happened. That someone that was so independent minded...
BAH!
I do not like him Sam I Am!


Yeah. After watching the "Empire of Dreams" documentary, I'm convinced Lucas got lucky. It wasn't him that made Star Wars great. It was the people working on it who did their own thing to make it good, and the directors after Lucas, and the mood of the country at the time of release. If Lucas had had full creative control over the movies, he'd never have gotten anywhere. We'd have had all the prequel problems in the originals that we have today, and there certainly wouldn't have been 3 Star Wars films made. Maybe not even 2.

GL may be a visionary, but his vision is not what people care about. It was the people who took his vision and made something from it, losing the crap in the translation, that really made Star Wars a hit.

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I like that hamil quote.

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Golga 'The Bulge' Bolg wrote:
Do you really like George Lucas?

Do you mean in a Sexual way?

I mean, he was kind of cute in the old days, but he's a porker now.

Not that I would, like, check him out or anything.

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Master Gui-Jan wrote:
Golga 'The Bulge' Bolg wrote:
Do you really like George Lucas?

Do you mean in a Sexual way?

I mean, he was kind of cute in the old days, but he's a porker now.

Not that I would, like, check him out or anything.


LOL! It's good to have you back, Gui.

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Rocklar wrote:
Master Gui-Jan wrote:
Golga 'The Bulge' Bolg wrote:
Do you really like George Lucas?

Do you mean in a Sexual way?

I mean, he was kind of cute in the old days, but he's a porker now.

Not that I would, like, check him out or anything.


LOL! It's good to have you back, Gui.

:o)

Yeah. I feel the same way.

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Master Gui-Jan wrote:
Golga 'The Bulge' Bolg wrote:
Do you really like George Lucas?

Do you mean in a Sexual way?

I mean, he was kind of cute in the old days, but he's a porker now.

Not that I would, like, check him out or anything.


Errrrr....No.

Shame on you for even THINKING it.

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Master Gui-Jan wrote:
Golga 'The Bulge' Bolg wrote:
Do you really like George Lucas?

Do you mean in a Sexual way?

I mean, he was kind of cute in the old days, but he's a porker now.

Not that I would, like, check him out or anything.

LOL!

I was looking to have him adopt me, but he said I was too old. Not sure what that means...

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I'll probably be considered a bit of a blasphemer here, because I haven't even seen all of the Star Wars original trilogy movies.

But I am rectifying the situation, will probably watch EpV this week. :oops:

That being said, I think SW in general is pretty bad. Better sci-fi movies were made at the same time, like Alien and a little later Blade Runner. And 2001: A Space Odyssey before that. By better I mean in terms of character complexity, dialogue, special effects, story line and adherence to scientific principles.

SW is just a money maker and Lucas saying that publicly is just being honest.

What SW has going for it is massive battles betweeen good and evil. That's it. Lucas is no fool, he realizes that and serves up a massive battle scene in every movie.

The truth is, there is no chance of pleasing everyone anyway. So Lucas emreges as the leader of the team. I am sure he still listens to other people's ideas in making the movies, that's what leaders do. As to listening to fan base - between all the novels already written and all the generations of people that know Star Wars, there is no pleasing everybody.

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The story is classic good vs. evil, a Sci Fi fairy tale, and it is a cultural ICON no matter how much you don't like GL or the movies.

The OT is so ingrained into society now days, you cannot deny its greatness...

Is GL a genious? No...

Is he a rich bastard now for his creation? Yep

Is he able to do what he wants and not care who he pisses off? Obviously

I like him for creating a story and universe I fell in love with as a kid, and still love today, and I respect him for doing what he wants with his own story, even if he is trying to kill it. Your baby GL, do what you wish....

I will always have my memories and experiences... thats good by me.

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I agree with you completely, Manti, except for respecting him for messing with stuff still. I honestly really don't care how much he revises and tinkers and whatnot. But he should still release the OT the way it was in theaters, and on VHS. Give people the option. Films are never owned by the filmmaker. They are owned by the public. And usually the filmmaker doesn't have 100% complete control, and generally that is a good thing. But even so, change everything you want. I'll still buy both anyway. But at least give me the option to view the OT I saw in my youth in the highest quality available today.

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