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I have some pretty good internet dating stories as you all know. I am now either so untrusting or getting so good at fishing out the stink in some profiles I am ready to quit.

I got an email on match.com yesterday from a woman in NH... or so she said.


>From: <seashore8197@talkmatch.com>
>To: <tobiasds1@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Match.com Message: hi
>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 03:56:10 -0600
>
>I am new to this and I was looking at profiles and decided to write you a
>note.Please check my ad and if you think that we can have communication and
>something more then penpals or friends, write me at good_day444@yahoo.com,
>this is my personal account.
>Bye for now...

Already thinking this was fishy or perhaps somehow, someone I knew in NH got a hold of my profile and made up a fake to send me, I still answered politely. If it was someone busting my nuts I wanted to be nice so they might feel badly about it! In six months or more no woman has ever written me except for scammers or woman replying to my emails. Most don't even bother to reply BTW.


----- Original Message -----
From: Tobias Smith
To: good_day444@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: RE: Match.com Message: hi


Hi,

Congratulations on taking the first, hardest step in this process and that
is jumping in. You should put more info about yourself in your ad and think
about a picture. It will help get more interest in your ad. I live in
Virginia and I am not interested in any sort of long distance thing but I
appreciate your writing to say hi. Good luck.


That should do it I thought, but then I get this reply.



Hello!!! I cant belive that you wrote to me, and its very interesting. How are you?š My name is Natalia. And I am very glad to see youš in my
mail box. I am so nervous to write you this letter cause its my first convirsation throw internet. Also i must say that
i dont have my own computer, i use it in internet cafe. That is why it takes a lot of time to write you back.
Also i would like to explain you that i am from Russia,and i live in Norilsk.
Its very good city. With a good traditions and grate history.
š
Unfortunatly,š i have never been in USA. But i hope in some days i will fly to your country.
I hope you are not very sad that i am from Russia. My profile shows that i am from USA cause Its my first time,
i have never done it before and maybe did something wrong, but i want to be honest with you thats why i am telling you
where i am realy from.
It this letter i would like to tell you about myself as much as i can and you can see who i am.
š
Now some special information about me and what i like:
š
- i am Christian
- i like roses
- my favorite color is blue
- my favorite music is pop.
- i like animals
- i like cooking very much (my favorite dish is apple pie)
- also i like read books (Bulgakov, Nabokov.)
- i like cars but i dont have it.
- i like quiet places.
- i like go to the cinema.
- i dont smoke, and drink - socialy
- i dont have any tatoos or pircing.
Sorry for long letter i hope you are not tired yet.!!!!
šIt was what i like, there are some things a dont like:
- i dont like go to disco, cause there are a lot of people
- I dont like winter, cause its veryš cold in Russia.
- i have high grade education i finished The Medecal Academy, I am a Doctor,I am a Dentist.
š
šToday we have 2 (temperature) and its very good. What about in your place?
šI desided to put my profile on Match.com. And find someone from another country, because i am very lonely in Russia,
and i could not find someone who understand me and care about me. And i know that many russians girls found their love in your country
and i am also decided to do it.
šBy the wayš my friendš has found her husband on Match.com, he is from France, and now they are very happy together and they are living in Leon.
And i also want to be happy with someone special for me, and who will be next to me. And age doesnt
matter for me at all, the main thing is to be happy and find love.
I ve told my friends about my desision to write to you and they are supporting me, cause
they worry about me and wants to see me happy.
Some information about my family, my parents past away and i live alone now. And i dont want to be here alone. And i dont have
any brothers or sisters. Thats why i want to try to find my love in other country.
š
That is all for today, now its your turn to ask me a questions.
Tell me what you like, and dont like, your favorite things,and evrething
you want to tell me.
š
I hope my letter is not boringš you, good buy for now i have to go home. If you write me back i will answer as soon as i can.
š
Your friend from Russia
Natalia
š
š
š
š

š



Well, I checked online and if you search Russian dating services it is just a load of scammers and con artists. The new industry in Russia apparently is scamming lonely dumb foreigners. She included photos and whoever they are of is really beautiful, so the hook can get set real deep. Her profile on match is already hidden so I guess they might be on to her.


http://photobucket.com/albums/d195/tobi ... =1&multi=3

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

Try traveling to Russia and finding a bride that way. I saw a speical on that and life could be good.

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Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

I feel terrible for women who's marriages are devastated by alcoholism like a lot are in Russia or feel a need to leave their countries because of poor living conditions, but I don't how a guy can get a mail order bride nowadays. How could you ever know that your wife loved you for being you and not because you saved her from a crummy economic or living situation?

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

Work with me on being shallow here

on a serious note, that definitely sounded like someone trying to get out of a bad situaion or a scam (most definitely the latter).

I've known people who have had successful relationships through internet dating, but don't have any advice to offer you.

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

If I were shallow, I would try and pursue this. You saw the pictures right? Remember, I've been doing this for about a year and I have met so many flakes and heard so much dumb shit, I am really getting discouraged.

Internet dating is just like forums. People who think they are anonymous on the internet do things and write things they would never do or say in person. When was the last time someone told you STFU fag. People have said that to me in forums. I try to always imagine I am having the conversation with a person for real. Women write some of the dumbest stuff to me. In Eharmony you have to put a reason for closing out communication. A lot put no chemistry and they haven't even met me. Everyone has to put the maximum distance from your residence to travel for a match and yet a lot put that I live too far away. Many start communication then never bother to answer when you write back. It just goes on and on.

BTW... why would anyone want to get out of Siberia?

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

lol she looks kinda young in some of those photos...but yea man that sucks never tried internet dating kinda young (19) and am in college and have a GF so its not an issue... I had a teacher once who met her husband through a dating service...I guess some just get lucky without much reason to it

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Ryric Krael
Former Vice President AGN
Former Director, Section 6
Former Head of Department of the Treasury
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Ask not what your PA can do for you, but what you can do for your PA
"Gone Section Five"

Yeh, dunno if this was a lie too but her profile (before it was taken down) said she was 34. Remember, her letter said she graduated the university and is a doctor and a dentist!!! How young can she be?

Did I ever tell you guys I am an astronaut and a NFL football player

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

I thought that was you standing on the Green Bay sidelines. With the Packers' play this year you might get your shot!!

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"I built me a bomb and dropped it on every MFer who got in my way!"

I would belive you are or will be a historian. Somewhat about 29-33 years old.

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1st Feb 2008

I can be included in that group however internet dating has changed alot since me and my wife met. I met heralmost 8 years ago now and we are still together and going strong. But like I said it has changed ALOT since I was there.

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Section 6

Don't get me wrong guys... I am not quitting, it just really sucks sometimes.

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

Tobi, I swear you post the most intriguing things on this board. As always, I have a counter-culture response to the above quote.

I believe that "love" as defined by our current culture, is a lie. It is generally referred to as being either an emotional attachment to the other person, or else it is said to be all about a romantical notion of head-over heels mind swirling experiences. Emotional attachment as well as romance, I believe, is only a side effect of love. I think our culture's "love" could be more adequately redefined as "lust" or even "infatuation."

People today think love is something you fall in and out of. I think this is a HUGE mistake, and one big reason why the divorce rates are way out of control in today's society.

Love, as correctly defined in my humble opinion (and of course, historically, if you look back beyond Shakespeare), is a choice to be dedicated to one another. Let me repeat for emphasis, that it is absolutely a choice. It's not something you fall in and out of at all. It's something you decide to do on a daily basis. Divorces happen not when one or both partners "fall out of love," but when one or both of them stop making the effort to love their spouse daily. What I mean by "making an effort to love" is putting the other person above yourself, and putting them before you. In other words, being selfLESS, instead of selfISH.

If you want to read an incredible book about love, in a historical context, that will have eye-opening impact, try this book by Gary Thomas, called Sacred Marriage.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... 7?v=glance

Here is a large excerpt from the 1st Chapter. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0310242 ... eader-link

I had the wonderful pleasure of hearing the author lecture on the subject, and I can honestly say I walked away a better person than when I went in. (and I know a lot of you shmucks must be thinking, "man he must have REALLY been a jackass before that!)

But in all seriousness, I strongly recommend this book for anyone who is married, or ever WANTS to get married. Enjoy.

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"Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense

I internet Dated before the internet that you know today... Back in the GEnie and Portal Days.. we use to have mad parties up in the Poconos where people would get together and maybe hook up for the weekend... Sometimes Life was really good... And this was before we even thought of Aids.. Now its just too scary to think of what could have happened...

Well said.

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Dalaran: Arindel - Frost Mage (Mining/Alchemy)
Dalaran: Roran - Paladin (Weaponsmith/Blacksmith)
Dalaran: Baine - Rogue

Who's talking love.. ya don;t even need love.. just SEX!!! and of course B33r!!!

He's got a point tere....

But Talonn.. With all that you wrote. Well said, but I'm afraid to say that it seems a little like show off. But it is good...(Please do not be offended)

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1st Feb 2008

show off? how so?

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"Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense

Sometimes, Talon I think you might argue more for the sake of arguing than because you clearly disagree with a stated opinion. After reading the book excerpt though, I know this is not one of those cases.

Remember though that this started out with me just venting a few frustrations about my recent lack of success in dating. So if what I wrote doesn't hold up under the Talon microscope it was because I hadn't prepared for it to be examined so closely. Clearly, though I have stated something which whether I can back it up with fact or logic or not, I feel in my heart. I simply could not have a marriage arranged by these circumstances. I truly want more than just a romantic partnership. I would like to find a good companion who I can commit to for the remainder of my days here, however many there are. I fear that "mail order brides" (PLEASE someone give me a better term) will do whatever it takes to escape their current situation. This in no way offers any consolation that they won't later feel their marriage to you is yet another situation that they desperately need to escape.

I have views of marriage that I am sure you won't agree with. Except for the religious aspects of what the author wrote in the excerpt (which is admittedly all that I read, not the whole book) it would seem to support gay marriages. I know this is a sore subject with many of my religious countrymen and many hetero married people as well. One argument that I hear against it is that it weakens the institution of the family. With more than half of marriages failing I wonder how gay marriage can hurt the idea of marriage or the family more than married people are already hurting it. On the contrary, if people want to strengthen families why not recognize that couples with a commitment and children already are a family and give them legitimacy, recognition, and rights they seek? Why does what someone else does affect others who have already done it? I could see not allowing the term marriage in a religious sense, as I have no desire to hijack anyone's beliefs. The continued denial of rights the government gives any two citizens of the opposite sex is what really bothers me about this whole debate. Call it only civil union if you will, just don't deny homosexuals the right to family medical insurance policies or any of the other protections offered married couples. Anyway this is clearly headed to the forum on the bottom so I won't say more. I am typing without even thinking right now and that can cause trouble when the Talon's are sunk into the meat of your ideas.

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

As this is NOT "The Forum" I'll hold my comments to a minimum.

You may however, be shocked to find that I actually agree with you on the gay marriage issue.

After you pick yourself up off the floor, I'll explain...

Marriage, by design, is a religious institution, not a federal or government institution. As such, the government has no right to interfere with anyone's religious practices.

While I am morally opposed to homosexuality and the practice thereof, what is done behind closed doors is no business of mine.

HOWEVER, ...



Does a government give rights to human beings, or are they inherant to every human?

I know exactly where you're coming from with the family medical insurance policy example, but I think you picked the wrong example to back up your point. I say this because it is not up to the government to decide what packages an insurance company offers, as it is solely at the discretion of the company. They can serve whomever they wish.

Where I think you're coming from though is the fact that they may be denied certain GOVERNMENT so-called benefits. I say this problem is just a by-product of government programs that should not be in existence at all.

And at this point, I'm sure we're going to need to move this to the appropriate forum.

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"Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense

So this topic stays alive I have more to add to the saga of the Siberian girl who wrote me.

Friends at work encouraged me to respond to see more of what the situation is.

Please believe me when I say this was not done out of mean spiritedness toward the young lady. I believe she sent out many, perhaps hundreds of emails fishing for responses, so I don't think I am making light of the situation she is in. The body of my response to her first reply is above. I stated that I was not looking for a long distance relationship thinking that she lived in Manchester New Hamshire. She replied with what seemed like a form letter which is above.

On the urging of co-workers. I responded with some specific questions. I don't have the text of that email but basically I asked her how did she specifically pick Manchester as the city she was pretending to be from and what criteria did she choose when selecting me.

She responds:



Notice how she still does not address me by my first name but has used hers since the first letter. I dumped her attachment into photobucket like the last one.

http://photobucket.com/albums/d195/tobiasds/Natalia/

Again feeling bad if she is not doing this to trick men into eventually sending her money (but not really believing that's not the case) I replied for the final time with this letter which I did save the text of.



A little thick and corny? Yes, admittedly, but God forbid she is actually just a poor girl looking for love. I don't want to hurt her feelings. So anyway I have five new women on e-harmony to scan over so I will head back into my world for a bit.

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

Just one question - WHO'S LANDING THE DAMN PLANES?!?

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Liro
"The english language is not a wedding gown, it doesn't get better the more lace you add. It is instead a thong. Less is more." From /.
I need to remind myself of this regularly.

ROFL @ Rocky!!

Interesting. I think you're right about the scam though.

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"Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense

Hehe, we have a little saying at work. It goes something like this...

"Aircraft on fire, standby..."

Seriously, they do let the animals out of the cages once in a while.

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

That's it. From now on I will only travel by Train, ship, car or my own two legs!!!

Anyhow, I do question why she was talking about her payment in the letter, since you mentioned that she might want you to send her money. Also she said how much? 300 $ a month. How can she go to places like St. Petersburg and Moscow and Turkey with in the last couple of years?

On the other hand she did say she didn't want to talk about it and referred to it as bad thing. Not directly, but when she want to talk about "good things" instead of money, I would presume she has the idea of private economy is a bad conversational topic.

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1st Feb 2008

hey tobs

http://www.womenrussia.com/blackpage421.htm

that looks like exact samething as your girl...

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Ryric Krael
Former Vice President AGN
Former Director, Section 6
Former Head of Department of the Treasury
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Ask not what your PA can do for you, but what you can do for your PA
"Gone Section Five"

I guess it is not fair that I post her pics and not mine.

These are from my online dating profiles.

http://photobucket.com/albums/d195/tobiasds/

See the discrepancy now?

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

HOLY SHITE are you a like a super detective or something?

Amazing, that is her man. Where did you come across that. Google image search?

The plot thickens.

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

Uhh..? 49 year old widower? They look young in russia if it is.

I'll stick to Toby... More fitting with the picture/age

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1st Feb 2008

came across that by typing in Size 88-63-92 into google cause I couldn't remember what each number stood for and saw something that looked suspisiously like your email on a russian bride site...

the emails are the exact same one you have recieved pretty much...damn scammers

Azz



the 49 year old widower is the guy talking about the girl....tobs ur not that 49 year old widower right?

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Ryric Krael
Former Vice President AGN
Former Director, Section 6
Former Head of Department of the Treasury
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Ask not what your PA can do for you, but what you can do for your PA
"Gone Section Five"

Nope. I am 38 and just only now have my confirmation that the whole thing is a scam like I expected from the start.

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

Well thanks DF mystery solved. Notice how she just changes her birthday to about a month away to hurry you into sending money.

That letter 20 SEP mine listed 24 NOV

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

Yeah I discovered that. Didn't read it completely but I saw it...

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1st Feb 2008

Good deal. We're busting scammers now. We need some |337 haxxor doodes to start back tracking this and see if we can find out where they are coming from. And then see if we can harrass them.

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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!

Do you think we can find the IP-code?

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1st Feb 2008

The guy is not even reading the return emails, as I got another lovey reply today to this email. I responded with the next email that the person usually sends out to the mark. Lets see if he recognizes it.

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"Chatfield, I think there's something wrong with our bloody ships." Admiral David Beatty, upon watching the battlecruiser Queen Mary explode at the battle of Jutland.

My name is Tobias Smith and I approved this post.

Good show. That should be funny.

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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!